Weird how a physical of the SNW-E looks way better than the CGI version. Not saying CGI is bad but they could do a lot better with their CG model on SNW....Absolutely right. These models are both the same scale and it just feels right.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"
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I'll take that as a compliment.
You did a really good job.
The SNW CGI looks artificial because of the hull coloring/texturing. They need to tone it down.
You're asking the question the wrong way, it isn't about what "WE" need, it's apparently about what 'YOU' want.
Most of US are quite happy with what They are giving US, because the other option is NOTHING at all.
And if that is what you believe, then what the heck are you doing here.
Enjoy the puppet episode is guess.
I still can't believe they are going down that route. Smh
(I wish someone had told me before reading all 45 pages of this thread that the last ten or so pages were just dedicated to yet another lame starship size argument. Would have saved me some time. 
)
Wow, after the teaser scene from ages ago I was prepared to not jibe with this one, but boy did I not enjoy it. Definitely not the worst episode of Star Trek by a long shot, but — for me at least — the worst one of the show for sure. I can only hope this (and some of the other disappointments from this season) don’t mark a trend that’s going to continue into the next season and the final one after that. It really feels like the writers have lost the plot with this season and only occasionally are able to still deliver quality writing.
I don’t want to go over everything that has already been said about the episode, but my main problems with it are the whole “turning them into Vulcans instantly makes them ‘racist’ assholes” angle, Spock implying La’an being an Augment means she has the “evil gene” and how the episode feels really badly plotted: after they’ve been turned into Vulcans the entire episode feels just like a random assortment of unfunny skits that almost don’t feel connected. Most of it doesn’t go anywhere and doesn’t build to much of anything and the solution with Doug they are building up ultimately is glossed over in a scene we don’t even get to see. Was this someone’s first foray in writing? Did no-one from the writing staff read it over and give some notes? I wanna say there is a universe where a second or third draft of this script could have been gold, but this unfortunately wasn’t it.
I don’t mind at all that this is a comedy episode, but my problem is that it’s neither funny, nor does it in any way at least attempt to use the concept to say something meaningful about any of the characters. This feels like the most basic rule of writing, so I’m baffled by how they failed so spectacularly at it. The main drive behind episodes like this seems to be that the writers assume they just have to put the characters into wacky situations, kinda hoping that it automatically results into it being funny. Boy, have they miscalculated!
Some random ass observations/questions some of you might be able to riddle for me:
)Wow, after the teaser scene from ages ago I was prepared to not jibe with this one, but boy did I not enjoy it. Definitely not the worst episode of Star Trek by a long shot, but — for me at least — the worst one of the show for sure. I can only hope this (and some of the other disappointments from this season) don’t mark a trend that’s going to continue into the next season and the final one after that. It really feels like the writers have lost the plot with this season and only occasionally are able to still deliver quality writing.
I don’t want to go over everything that has already been said about the episode, but my main problems with it are the whole “turning them into Vulcans instantly makes them ‘racist’ assholes” angle, Spock implying La’an being an Augment means she has the “evil gene” and how the episode feels really badly plotted: after they’ve been turned into Vulcans the entire episode feels just like a random assortment of unfunny skits that almost don’t feel connected. Most of it doesn’t go anywhere and doesn’t build to much of anything and the solution with Doug they are building up ultimately is glossed over in a scene we don’t even get to see. Was this someone’s first foray in writing? Did no-one from the writing staff read it over and give some notes? I wanna say there is a universe where a second or third draft of this script could have been gold, but this unfortunately wasn’t it.
I don’t mind at all that this is a comedy episode, but my problem is that it’s neither funny, nor does it in any way at least attempt to use the concept to say something meaningful about any of the characters. This feels like the most basic rule of writing, so I’m baffled by how they failed so spectacularly at it. The main drive behind episodes like this seems to be that the writers assume they just have to put the characters into wacky situations, kinda hoping that it automatically results into it being funny. Boy, have they miscalculated!
Some random ass observations/questions some of you might be able to riddle for me:
- What was that scene with Pelia trying to high-five Pike supposed to be about? Was that just meant to be a random = funny moment or did I miss something?
- Didn’t they establish that Una as a genetically enhanced Illyrian has super strength back when she was carrying Hemmer over her shoulders in season one? Why then did she have this much trouble moving the chair in Pike’s Ready Room in this episode?
- Since when can’t Vulcans use contractions in their speech? Did they confuse them with Soong type androids?
- Wow, I’m kinda dumbfounded by how incredibly bad Anson Mount was as a Vulcan. I usually love him and think he’s the strongest performer on the show, but here he was just cringe-inducing in the extreme. I wonder if that was due to his own choices or if that was just bad direction he got.
I actually think it could have been a more interesting and funny episode if we were to see their mission on the planet and their Vulcan-ness would cause hijinks down there, endangering the mission. Up on the ship it all felt pretty low stakes.
Liked Luckinbill as Sybok and loved Tim Russ' Tuvok.That dishonor belongs either to Laurence Luckinbill as Sybok or Tim Russ as Tuvok.
Personality traits might be passed down genetically — stuff like extraversion, neuroticism, agreeableness, conscientiousness or openness to experience —, but certainly not something as specific as the drive to rule, conquer and dictate. That would be a pretty fucked up way to view people.
I think you are mistaken, since pretty much everything behind those red benches seems to be the AR wall, including the windows, the ceiling and that upstairs lounge we curiously never see anyone go up to.
Really?! When did you stop watching? And why do I still see you in these episode review threads so often?Yes.You stopped watching?
I’m curious which one you liked less than this one.
I know we are not supposed to take that post-credits montage too seriously, but I found it a little contradictory that although Doug was specifically introduced as someone who has been fascinated with humans for years would be shown to be so clueless about human customs; even to a point where Spock of all people would be able to teach him new stuff.
It has worked before and can work here.Enjoy the puppet episode is guess.
Since the last Kirk episode and because I enjoy Star Trek discussions.Really?! When did you stop watching? And why do I still see you in these episode review threads so often?
Especially for a ship that carries 83 crew while the other has 203-430.
Thank you very much, I most likely will, mainly because I don't have any unreasonable expectations.Enjoy the puppet episode is guess.
I watch Star Trek because I've always found it to be enjoyable, including the episodes that many folks find not to their liking.
Even those episodes give me a chance to see the characters interact, many times in ways that I don't expect and that is all I ask from a TV show that I've watched since I was a kid.
As I've said before, the only other option is not having anything at all to watch.
I've already lived through two long stretches of no Trek, so I'm content to accept and be really appreciative of whatever the creators of the shows decide to give to us.
Plus Trip in the Mirror Universe episodes says that the warp nacelles on the TOS Defiant are stunningly large and impressive and he wonders how many warp coils they have. The 289-meter Enterprise does have considerably bigger nacelles than the NX-01, but the 442-meter Enterprise makes Mirror Trip's utterance that much more believable.Absolutely right. These models are both the same scale and it just feels right.
Indeed. One of the things I think a lot of people forget is that the SNW Enterprise has to exist in a post NX-01 world. I think they marvelous job designing a ship that has to look more advanced than the NX 01, while still looking less advanced than the refit. Neither of which existed when the original Enterprise was designed by Matt Jefferies in the 60s.
It's the same ship. The size of the vessel is what matters most, with the internal details being explainable by a pre-Kirk and TOS refit or just, you know, how this production team wants to depict the ship. The New Jersey is a TOS Connie and this version of the 1701 isn't.
Same timeline, same starship.
Same timeline, same starship.
Comedy. Anachronistic gesture
Comedy. Dragging a chair is funnier that carrying one.
Because his iteration of the TOS Connie was used only in his show, ST:ENT, the size wasn't retro-actively applied.
His variant of the TOS Connie is a unique variant because he made it specifcally for "In a Mirror Darkly".
You do know that Trek is a Multiverse of sorts, with countless timelines, parallel dimensions, universes, etc.
Heck, on ST:LD, they showed the Parallel Universe iteration of a Enterprise-D that never crashed on Veridian III & had a Purple hull color.
They left behind a Purple Data Head on the primitive alien planet that operated on a faster than normal universe time scale that the main cast got to interact with.
Why does the actions of one show, have to ripple to other shows?
Why can't each show just be considered it's own continuity unless otherwise indicated that there is a direct relation to the other shows in the past?
You mean like how SNW has direct ties to Discovery and Lower Decks which have explicitly made references to TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, Picard and the TOS and TNG films between them and therefore have one seamlessly interconnected universe? And soon Academy will also be directly connected to Discovery and Voyager with at least one DS9 and SNW reference so far.
None of that suggests that the older dimensions be scrubbed from books, articles or documentaries about the history of Star Trek.
No way, you don’t say! Don’t tell me this moment was supposed to be funny!
Okay, so basically as I said: random anachronistic gesture = funny. There’s no other motivator or anything like that. They usually write the Pelia humor as pretty random, but this felt more out of the blue than usual, so I wondered if I missed something.
I get that it was meant to be funny. But wouldn’t it work better if it didn’t break the established internal logic of the show?
Pelia is a bit quirky and prone to anachronistic sayings.No way, you don’t say! Don’t tell me this moment was supposed to be funny!
Okay, so basically as I said: random anachronistic gesture = funny. There’s no other motivator or anything like that. They usually write the Pelia humor as pretty random, but this felt more out of the blue than usual, so I wondered if I missed something.
I get that it was meant to be funny. But wouldn’t it work better if it didn’t break the established internal logic of the show?
Maybe, but gags are classic for a reason. Maybe those chairs a damn heavy. Like the ones is restaurants.
But at least those are intentional call backs to stuff that has occured in previous series or characters from that series.
So when they make new ships, and the TOS Connie's Length needs to be listed for it's basic stats like "Dimensional Size".
What value do you intend to display moving forwards?
When TOS Connie toys gets sold, what value to you intend to list on the packaging when the vessels Length needs to be referenced?
When a new Article / Documentary / Reference Book gets made, what should the TOS Connie Dimensions be listed as?
Look at the saucer section on Veridian III in GEN. The Enterprise-D is considerably bigger than a 642-meter-long starship.
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