Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I for one welcome our holovision show Star Trek: April .

To be announced on April Fool's Day, of course.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Like who? Has anyone said the older dimensions should be struck from any book about Star Trek's development over the decades?

Have you not been following the various threads here on "Ship Size"?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Again, that's going to start pointless conflict in the fandom.

Start?????

Pointless debates are this fandoms bread and butter

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Most fans who care, already know the dimensions of the TOS Connie.

For the past 50+ years, they took the dimensions from Matt Jefferies diagrams and used that as the basis.

Now you want to over-ride his design doc dimensions?

So what if it wasn't on screen in explicit stated #'s.

50+ years of the fans knowing should count for something.

They were never canon. No design documents, concept art or piece of written media of any kind is solid canon.

I view them a lot of things as canon until proven otherwise but so much has been changed from those materials.

If one holds them to such a standard that future material is the offender for not adhering then what about things like Sulu's first name being Walter?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Have you not been following the various threads here on "Ship Size"?

Yeah. Don't recall anyone demanding the SNW size being the only one to be mentioned in any history of the franchise. It would be a poor historian who did that.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Start?????

Pointless debates are this fandoms bread and butter

We don't need to add another topic to that discussion by making these types of changes.

They were never canon. No design documents, concept art or piece of written media of any kind is solid canon.

They were "Apocrypha", which is good enough to many of the Trek fandom who cared about the dimensions.
And now there are those who want to go back and change it.

I view them a lot of things as canon until proven otherwise but so much has been changed from those materials.

If one holds them to such a standard that future material is the offender for not adhering then what about things like Sulu's first name being Walter?

What do most fans call his first name?

 

[Nerys Myk]

If one holds them to such a standard that future material is the offender for not adhering then what about things like Sulu's first name being Walter?

That's his cousin, He served as a physicist on the Enterprise for a couple of years.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What do most fans call his first name?

"Hikaru"

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Yeah. Don't recall anyone demanding the SNW size being the only one to be mentioned in any history of the franchise. It would be a poor historian who did that.

You should pay more attention to the posts.
They don't want the TOS Connie to be it's original stated sizes due to "New Canon On-Screen" info.

"Hikaru"

Exactly

 

[Detached Nacelle]

They were "Apocrypha", which is good enough to many of the Trek fandom who cared about the dimensions.
And now there are those who want to go back and change it.

Apocrypha is by it's very nature not a fact. Now there's a lot of expanded universe material that I cling very tightly to and will headcanon the hell out of to make it fit.

There's even some stuff I've decided to flat out ignore, I know it doesn't work that way but it keeps me sane. In the spirit of that you are free to ignore the dimensions given in SNW but it would also be factually incorrect to do so.

What do most fans call his first name?

Hikaru is his name but I can only speak for myself.

That's his cousin, He served as a physicist on the Enterprise for a couple of years.

I thought his cousin was Kamehameha Sulu.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You should pay more attention to the posts.
They don't want the TOS Connie to be it's original stated sizes due to "New Canon On-Screen" info.

Where? Links?
Why would someone chronicling the history of Star Trek exclude that information?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought his cousin was Kamehameha Sulu.

That one is a botanist.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Where? Links?
Why would someone chronicling the history of Star Trek exclude that information?

Spoilers - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

Also I'm not sure how much time I would spend discussing American Earth customs if I hadn't seen the person I was hot for in a while. Depends on the custom.

www.trekbbs.com

You were part of that conversation, did you forget?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spoilers - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

Also I'm not sure how much time I would spend discussing American Earth customs if I hadn't seen the person I was hot for in a while. Depends on the custom.

www.trekbbs.com

You were part of that conversation, did you forget?

Not seeing where someone says the old dimensions should be scrubbed from any books, articles and documentaries about Star Trek's history. Can you link to a specific post were it is?

 

[Firebird]

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Not seeing where someone says the old dimensions should be scrubbed from any books, articles and documentaries about Star Trek's history. Can you link to a specific post were it is?

Firebird:
Doesn't change the fact that we now have an official size of the Enterprise. Everything else is just fan speculation.

Noname Given:
No convincing needed - the 'size' was never stated on screen before now. Nothing 'new' to accept.

The Wormhole:
According to their own rules what's onscreen overrules everything else. These "Trek Nerds" you speak of owe it to themselves to accept the new size figures or they shouldn't expect anyone to take them seriously.

cooleddie74:
I'm a colossal TOS nerd and love the visual continuity. And I now accept it.

Yes. Many fans will.

Firebird:
Not on screen = not canon. Tie-in merch doesn't count.

Turtletrekker:
Publications are not canon.

Tuskin38:
That doesn't make them canon.

Nerys Myk:
This would mean all licensed products are canon. Not how it works

Tuskin38:
Nah they're all equally non-canon

DaveyNY:
And when They do use it and we see it in an episode/movie... it becomes Official Canon.

Before that, not so much.

Ovation:
But any “grey zone” material that is never on screen is automatically superseded by whatever material does appear on screen (deleted scenes excepted unless later incorporated into an official on screen production). So before last Thursday, the length of the Enterprise was…ambiguous. Now? It is not.

fireproof78:
Ok.

It's not canon everyone.


I personally love Matt Jefferies' work but mine, or any other fan accolade, will make it canon material, even if officially licensed.

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You don't have to participate if you don't want to.

This is a open forum, not your private forum, so stuff like this is bound to happen.

 

[Noname Given]

Again, that's going to start pointless conflict in the fandom.

You do realize none of this is real, right?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You do realize none of this is real, right?

Yes, I know we're dealing with fiction.

But the details matter to some of us nerds.

We wouldn't be "Nerds" if we didn't care about the most minute of details.

 

[saladdays]

Yes, I know we're dealing with fiction.

But the details matter to some of us nerds.

We wouldn't be "Nerds" if we didn't care about the most minute of details.

I guarantee you there are plenty of such "Nerds" that don't care about the "most minute of details."

 

[Uhura's Song]

The end of credits scene was really good.