Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

[Dar70]

Yes.

If it's in Star Trek it is fair game.

Episode count is irrelevant.

Nothing is quite worse than that besides And the Children Shall Lead and Profit and Lace.

I don't thing it's irrelevant. Having 1/3+ of a season bad episodes isn't what I would call desirable. I know I probably will never rewatch this season again. Which used to be rare for me to say when it concerns Star Trek. Now it seems to be happening frequently...

I actually think And the Children Shall lead is ok. Profit and Lace I will have to rewatch soon. But I never cared for it.

 

[Campe]

I've said this before and I will say it again: There comes a point in time when what is being produced and desires of audience members do not match up. You want to get them to stop producing what you don't like?

Stop. Watching.

The truth of the matter is, the ratings for SNW are very good from what has been reported so far for this season. The beancounters at Skydance/Paramount don't care that you are hate watching. They care that you are watching. That you are providing engagement. Which some naysayers are doing CONSTANTLY. You're creating a self-defeating prophecy where Para will continue to produce stuff that you don't want to watch. But some of you have FOMO or something in regards to Star Trek and will keep watching and reacting to it no matter what, completely missing the point.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I've said this before and I will say it again: There comes a point in time when what is being produced and desires of audience members do not match up. You want to get them to stop producing what you don't like?

Stop. Watching.

The truth of the matter is, the ratings for SNW are very good from what has been reported so far for this season. The beancounters at Skydance/Paramount don't care that you are hate watching. They care that you are watching. That you are providing engagement. Which some naysayers are doing CONSTANTLY. You're creating a self-defeating prophecy where Para will continue to produce stuff that you don't want to watch. But some of you have FOMO or something in regards to Star Trek and will keep watching and reacting to it no matter what, completely missing the point.

Well they won't be getting repeat watching from me.

 

[saladdays]

I've said this before and I will say it again: There comes a point in time when what is being produced and desires of audience members do not match up. You want to get them to stop producing what you don't like?

Stop. Watching.

The truth of the matter is, the ratings for SNW are very good from what has been reported so far for this season. The beancounters at Skydance/Paramount don't care that you are hate watching. They care that you are watching. That you are providing engagement. Which some naysayers are doing CONSTANTLY. You're creating a self-defeating prophecy where Para will continue to produce stuff that you don't want to watch. But some of you have FOMO or something in regards to Star Trek and will keep watching and reacting to it no matter what, completely missing the point.

This exactly. Execs don't ultimately care what you are saying on a fan website or elsewhere if you continue to watch the show.

EDIT: Let me clarify to state they likely do not care if you are complaining about it online ad long as you maintain engagement and continue to watch (even once).

 

[Campe]

Well they won't be getting repeat watching from me.

It doesn't matter that you've only watched them once. You discuss them. You've made quite a few comments on the past few episode threads. They care that you are engaging in the content. This isn't the days of just Nielsen ratings that matter. You are increasing the page count here, even by your single sentence comment, which increases engagement.

 

[Fateor]

Looks like the average is around a seven or eight.

So the majority opinion seems to be that the episode was good.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Episodes like Space Seed and movies like TWOK are far better than anything these guys are giving us. It saddens me to think something of this poor quality on story and characters are in the same story universe as TOS and movies like TWOK.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

This was probably the episode I was most skeptical of from the previews, but I ended up liking it a fair amount. Better than last weeks which was a little under baked, and a definitely a refreshing change of tone after a stretch of three pretty heavy episode between this and a "Space Adventure Hour".

 

[TRON JA307020]

This was probably the episode I was most skeptical of from the previews, but I ended up liking it a fair amount. Better than last weeks which was a little under baked, and a definitely a refreshing change of tone after a stretch of three pretty heavy episode between this and a "Space Adventure Hour".

We get 10 measly episides. Do we need 3 comedy relief episodes?

 

[Fateor]

We get 10 measly episides. Do we need 3 comedy relief episodes?

Given a choice between Strange New Worlds fun comic relief episodes and Discovery's horrible attempt at Drama, yes.

 

[Tallguy]

BTW, my wife says this show is amazing and all of the nerds on Facebook need to shut up and let her watch her show.

 

[DaveyNY]

We get 10 measly episides. Do we need 3 comedy relief episodes?

You're asking the question the wrong way, it isn't about what "WE" need, it's apparently about what 'YOU' want.

Most of US are quite happy with what They are giving US, because the other option is NOTHING at all.

And if that is what you believe, then what the heck are you doing here.

 

[fireproof78]

I've said this before and I will say it again: There comes a point in time when what is being produced and desires of audience members do not match up. You want to get them to stop producing what you don't like?

Stop. Watching.

The truth of the matter is, the ratings for SNW are very good from what has been reported so far for this season. The beancounters at Skydance/Paramount don't care that you are hate watching. They care that you are watching. That you are providing engagement. Which some naysayers are doing CONSTANTLY. You're creating a self-defeating prophecy where Para will continue to produce stuff that you don't want to watch. But some of you have FOMO or something in regards to Star Trek and will keep watching and reacting to it no matter what, completely missing the point.

This. Engagement is reward to the studio.

Don't like it? Do not watch it.

End of the story. There's not another way to say it. Doesn't matter why you're watching; that's a number in the win column.

BTW, my wife says this show is amazing and all of the nerds on Facebook need to shut up and let her watch her show.

I approve this message.

 

[fireproof78]

We get 10 measly episides. Do we need 3 comedy relief episodes?

We don't need anything when it comes to entertainment.


But, many are enjoying it.

 

[Tuskin38]

This episode is also the first time we've seen purple plomeek soup since TOS. Other times we saw it, it was was either brown or tomato soup.

 

[Nyotarules]

What bothers me the most about this episode is that it feels like total character assassination of Spock and Vulcans. Yes, Spock is half-human, half-Vulcan. But that does not mean that he is dumb or inferior. He is a highly competent Starfleet officer and very intelligent and logical as we see in TOS.

And considering how in the last episode, Spock admits that he mutilated himself to try to excise his humanity because of how Vulcans mistreated him, it is rather uncomfortable to see his human friends turn into the worst stereotypes of Vulcans and do the exact same thing to him in this episode. They repeatedly mistreat him for being half-human at every turn in this episode and it is played as a big joke. "The away team is only 4.5 Vulcans because you are only half Vulcan, Spock, you are inferior to us and not a real Vulcan like us that took a magic serum!" Vulcans are turned into horrible stereotypes rather than the stoic, wise and highly intelligent species that they are.

I saw it as the joke being on the 'fake' Vulcans for being assholes. The genuine Vulcans in the episode, Spock and Doug were decent people. Perhaps having all four as arrogant pricks was a bit over the top, but I doubt, even with a fictional race, ALL Vulcans are stoic, wise and intelligent, just as IRL some humans are decent people and some humans are nasty piece of work.

 

[Nyotarules]

Biological essentialism is what bothers her about this and this is very much, "yes, Data and I have different experiences than neuroatypical people."

The episode clearly stated the serum made them Vulcan from Spock's perspective. If the serum was based on Doug they would all be Humanphiles enjoying what he likes of Human culture, Their behaviour was not meant to be a representation of the whole Vulcan race, just Spock and his jacked up issues.

 

[Noname Given]

I saw it as the joke being on the 'fake' Vulcans for being assholes. The genuine Vulcans in the episode, Spock and Doug were decent people. Perhaps having all four as arrogant pricks was a bit over the top, but I doubt, even with a fictional race, ALL Vulcans are stoic, wise and intelligent, just as IRL some humans are decent people and some humans are nasty piece of work.

Go rewatch TOS because in TOS all the Vulcans we saw were Jerks

Sarek - Haughty jerk who even lies to his wife. Was even more of a jerk in STIII:TSFS when he came to visit Kirk on Earth as he completely jumped to conclusions prior to the encounter.

T'Pau - Dislikes humans immensely and looks down on the race entirely - "Thee has prided thyself on thee Vulcan heritage. "Art thee Vulcan, or art thee (and she says the following with absolute disgust) HUMAN?!"

T'Pring - absolute self centered bitch in Amok Time.

Stonn - A jerk and also pretty stupid to not realize why T'Pring chose Kirk.

 

[Tuskin38]

T'Pol was also a jerk in ENT Season 1, but that was part of her character arc.

Edit: Oops you specified TOS. But the Enterprise Vulcans were also jerks.

 

[Yistaan]

So how did Doug get through Pon Farr if he hadn't seen Una in 15 years?