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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x07 - "What Is Starfleet?"

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First off, I am irritated that the episode was so short... about 37 minutes. If we are having such short seasons, there is absolutely NO reason to have an episode of a streaming series be shorter than a broadcast tv episode.

Given the specifications of the Enterprise we see in the beginning, a crew of 203 is pretty small. (It IS at least consistent, with SNW thus far and "THE CAGE".) But it does make sense, given SNW has shown everyone to have really large quarters. (Which kind of goes against Scotty in "Relics" when he says, "In my day, even an admiral wouldn't have had quarters like this on a starship.") Clearly, quarters were made smaller later just before Kirk took command or right when he took command. In fact, I'd bet that something catastrophic happens in the series finale that forces a huge refit of the Enterprise and it gets more "packed in", as Jadzia said about ships of this era in "TRIALS AND TRIBBLE-ATIONS".

I was rather irritated at this episode at first... Beto doing his 'Federation or empire' voiceover. Already, you can tell there is a negative slant against Starfleet here. Plus, he was REALLY extra pushy with the questions about the situation in the system, everyone's thoughts about killing, etc. He rubbed me the wrong way. (I am glad that Pike put him in his place when he asked Beto if he has ever seen someone die and letting him know you won't like being asked about it.)

And I have to completely disagree with him about the Federation being a 'colonizer' and imposing their doctrines and laws onto others. If this were the case, the Prime Directive wouldn't even exist.

I did find it odd that Spock was so... overly sharing about a part of his childhood for a documentary. This is not typical of the ultra private, reserved, and closed off Spock we have known for decades. (To be fair, this IS pre-TOS Spock, but this did strike me as a bit off overall.)

It was nice to see Ortegas' quarters. She is clearly channeling TOP GUN's Maverick here, having her quarters essentially be a place to work on engine parts. (In addition to being a top notch pilot.)

I'm glad La'an and others mention that sometimes killing IS necessary, as well as striking first. This is sometimes required to defend yourself and others. It's not a bad thing. It's just a reality.

The Jikaru... that was beautifully done. Am I the only one who was thinking of Mothra in space? Her plight was so sad, and her sacrificing herself for her children was heartbreaking, and definitely in the spirit of STAR TREK.

Everyone had some great character beats, particularly Uhura and La'an. I also like how M'Benga so clearly understood the Jikaru's plight... tired of being a weapon. (Another reason why I love his character, and the actor... he gave that extra pause right at the camera after saying it. Told a huge tale with just a glance. Just perfect.)

I also love how everyone ended with a great view on what Starfleet is. Particularly Una's take.

(Side note: LOVE that the NX-01 was prominent on a screen when Uhura left the room.)

The documentary style of filming was a bit jarring at first (the characters' faces on the side with small text superimposed on the rest, for example), but it was easier to get used to as the episode went on. While this style of episode has been done A LOT on tv, I thought it was overall well used here. With an ending that really gets you feeling sorrow for the Jikaru and inspiration at what Starfleet and the Federation is all about.

Despite the issues I had that I mentioned earlier, they are not bad enough to ding this episode much. I originally scored this an 8.5, but after writing down my thoughts and rewatching the episode, I am upgrading this to a 9.0.





By the way... on the question of whether Starfleet is a military or not. We have a massive amount of evidence that shows us it IS a military. And that is NOT a bad thing.

I think a deeper issue when people argue that Starfleet isn't one is not because of one of the very few instaces of someone onscreen saying it isn't one, but because they inherently think of the word 'military' as a negative.

Militaries do fight wars. Their soldiers kill. This is true.

But how about all the good they do otherwise? The relief missions to aid others. Helping to avert disasters. Army Corps of Engineers are like the Starfleet Corps of Engineers. The various medical branches of the services have been helpful in countless ways. Having the resources, training, and organization to handle just about anything civilians might need. And let's not forget that militaries have also played a huge part in the exploration of our own planet. So yes, the military ARE also explorers when the mission calls for it.

And thus, Starfleet IS a military.
 
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I think it is safe to say that Star Fleet is what it needs to be on a daily basis.

Whether that be scientific, militaristic or both in nature, at any given point in time.

One would also have to take into account that the Command person of a particular starship, is going to influence how any given circumstance is handled just due to innate human nature.
 
God how many ways can this episode be so bad. *sigh*

There was a nice story about some alien races hidden in this nonsense.

Why a documentary format? Why? It's been done to death in TV. Not only that, it has no point of view. Doing all this to have little point of view is just pointless.

I don't like the question it started with, mostly because I don't want Trek go that way. BUT... but... as a Trek fan I can see the merit. Even with my beloved DS9 I think was Starfleet belligerent, did they create some of the issues they then had to face? How does the Federation deal with such plurality in its membership?

This seemed to be like it wanted to go in that direction. Except... Starfleet is playing a guitar, eating cake, and drinking wine apparently. Oh Starfleet is wonderful because the people do that. End of story.

Do we not think for a moment that those in Nazi Germany stopped to share a drink, a laugh, a story, fall in love? Celebrate a birthday?

We shape Starfleet, says Uhura. Yes maybe if you're a human American woman going to Starfleet Academy in your human world in America. With ships named after Human places and things, normally captained by Humans.

That's called privilege Uhura. How have hundreds of federation worlds REALLY shaped Starfleet? Have you done your tour on the Starfleet ship that has Benzite atmosphere and you have to wear breathing apparatus all day?

And if we wanted to go down that path, this is where the documentary could have borne fruit.

It seemed to want to ask the question, but then ran away in the opposite direction. Don't bother with a documentary if you aren't going to follow through.

It's kind of sad because the alien story had potential. But it was only 37 minutes but I was looking at the time after 20 minutes bored. I realised I didn't know why the alien went into the sun as my wind wandered, and that's sad. The story was lost in this tedium.

Just tedium and time wasted. I don't want it to pick apart Starfleet, but if you're going to do it DO IT and tell a compelling story. This wishy washy nonsense provides nothing.

(Also on a purely technical level it's never made sense that they don't have CCTV in the 24th century, so now they've made it the case that it's everywhere in the 23rd it opens up all manner of issues for all future stories. Just... don't do it.)

(Oh and a medical display saying FLATLINED. REALLY? Just fuck off.)
 
Yes maybe if you're a human American woman going to Starfleet Academy in your human world in America. With ships named after Human places and things, normally captained by Humans.
Uhura is from Kenya.

(Also on a purely technical level it's never made sense that they don't have CCTV in the 24th century, so now they've made it the case that it's everywhere in the 23rd it opens up all manner of issues for all future stories. Just... don't do it.)
TOS did it first. Blame them.

Why a documentary format? Why?
Why not?

Oh and a medical display saying FLATLINED. REALLY?
Yes? What's so wrong with that?
 
(Also on a purely technical level it's never made sense that they don't have CCTV in the 24th century, so now they've made it the case that it's everywhere in the 23rd it opens up all manner of issues for all future stories. Just... don't do it.)
Star Trek has CCTV when it suits the purpose of the story. We've seen episodes and movies where they present the footage.
 
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