Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x06 - "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"

[Captain Jollydark]

7000 people? How on earth did the 21st century make a ship that big? That was just beyond stupid.

Which ship? The one they left on or the one they've been growing from other cannibalized technologies?

 

[eschaton]

So they have just been living on that ship, breeding with each other for 200 years? I feel like we are missing some important stuff to this story.

Not sure what's odd about that. Say they had 150 people on the initial mission, and then had a 2% annual population growth rate. 7,000 descendants in two centuries is totally doable.

 

[Yistaan]

Sorry, Spock and Lina. You're unrealistic and shouldn't exist.

Lina?

 

[fireproof78]

Lina?

Tom Paris and Kes' daughter in Kes' time shifting episode.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

They made it sound like it took off with 7000 people

I didn't get that impression at all. They showed the people who left on the ship all lined up smiling. So I assumed.

 

[eschaton]

I didn't get that impression at all. They showed the people who left on the ship all lined up smiling. So I assumed.

They also said the scientists left with their families, which means there were clearly more people than the astronauts in the shot. Spouses, children, etc.

 

[I am not Spock]

another solid episode, after last weeks solid episode.

This is more like it. Good stuff, good Kirk and Spock scenes.

(And no relationship drama, for I think the first time this season! I know it was a part of previous Trek shows , but seemingly every SNW episode had romance subplots . )

An 8 out of 10 from me

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Tom Paris and Kes' daughter in Kes' time shifting episode.

Linnis

Linnis Paris

Linnis Paris was the half-Human, half-Ocampan daughter of Tom Paris and Kes, who was born in 2374 of an alternate timeline. She figured prominently during a series of realities in which Kes found herself living as she jumped backwards in time. As a half-Ocampan, she grew up quickly, and soon...

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[Lone Iguana]

Th\ey also said the scientists left with their families, which means there were clearly more people than the astronauts in the shot. Spouses, children, etc.

I think it's reasonable to theorize that if the ship's mission was to continue the human species elsewhere, they launched with enough people to plant a thriving human population somewhere. Maybe not 7000, but definitely more than 10.

 

[Yistaan]

And no relationship drama, for I think the first time this season!

That's for next week--

La'an: Ok, the first one of you not dead gets the pleasure of continuing to date me.

(cue Kirk and Spock fight)

T'Pau (shows up out of nowhere): Dis fight is to de death.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

My absolutely favorite part of this episode was after Kirk drives the warp core to death and they're dead in the water, Scotty, Chapel, Uhura and Spock are there and the three younger officers are all pitching ideas to each other trying to figure out the best course of action as if Kirk doesn't exist. They turn to Spock for his opinion and he says "not our decision to make" - that whole scene and the one after with Spock listening patiently, offering insight, until the point he tells Kirk "you gotta step up now."

It was so good.

 

[Tuskin38]

So they have just been living on that ship, breeding with each other for 200 years? I feel like we are missing some important stuff to this story.

I just wasn’t a fan. Too similar to the Doomsday machine with its planet destroying abilities.

They said in the episode that they left with their families. Please pay attention to the dialogue more.

It was probably enough people to restart the human race.

 

[Tuskin38]

My absolutely favorite part of this episode was after Kirk drives the warp core to death and they're dead in the water, Scotty, Chapel, Uhura and Spock are there and the three younger officers are all pitching ideas to each other trying to figure out the best course of action as if Kirk doesn't exist. They turn to Spock for his opinion and he says "not our decision to make" - that whole scene and the one after with Spock listening patiently, offering insight, until the point he tells Kirk "you gotta step up now."

It was so good.

Although, how was Chapel the ranking medical officer? She’s still a civilian nurse, that Ensign she ran into in sickbay out ranks her.

 

[Lone Iguana]

Although, how was chapel the ranking medical officer? She’s still a civilian nurse

There were no other medical personnel alive on the Farragut at the time.

I've seen folks saying they should have had M'Benga come on board, but I think those people would be surprised at the capabilities of nurses, especially in a crisis.

 

[fireproof78]

but I think those people would be surprised at the capabilities of nurses, especially in a crisis.

Nurses are very much qualified to handle trauma and crisis situations. Good doctors rely on their nurses who have a lot more real world experience.

 

[tomalak301]

I'm seeing some mixed feelings about the last-minute reveal that the scavenger ship was crewed by humans, but I loved it. The choice gave depth to an episode that would otherwise be a fairly conventional disaster tale. It's very Trekkian to eschew uncomplicated villains, after all. I like ending on the mystery of how after the cultural drift of centuries, the best and brightest of humanity turned into something unrecognizable and evil. I also like that it gave Kirk a taste of ashes in his mouth, as a simple victory would leave him with only a single lesson learned. Leadership is often hard, and every choice has a consequence.

But I think my issue is there is no way Kirk would have known because they attacked (and completely destroyed a planet) first. I look at it the same way I look at Janeway's decision to ally with the Borg against Species 8472 and Arturis's condemnation of that in Hope and Fear. A Captain has to go on the information he/she/they have. I just wish there was a stronger case on why he should feel guilty because that part of the episode was great (Pike and Kirk talking).

 

[Lone Iguana]

She’s still a civilian nurse, that Ensign she ran into in sickbay out ranks her.

Pike ordered the Farragut's sickbay immediately evacuated right before everything went to hell. That Ensign may have beamed off with her patients around the same time La'an did.

 

[fireproof78]

Linnis

Linnis Paris

Linnis Paris was the half-Human, half-Ocampan daughter of Tom Paris and Kes, who was born in 2374 of an alternate timeline. She figured prominently during a series of realities in which Kes found herself living as she jumped backwards in time. As a half-Ocampan, she grew up quickly, and soon...

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Thank you. My memory was not accurately to the name.

 

[Tuskin38]

Pike ordered the Farragut's sickbay immediately evacuated right before everything went to hell. That Ensign may have beamed off with her patients around the same time La'an did.

Hm fair enough

 

[Donald G]

This is my favorite episode of the season. Great bad guys that had one scary ship. Even didn't mind the tentacles. I knew Kurtzman would somehow bring back his beloved space tentacles somehow. The ending twist was very emotional . This felt like such a old school and classic Trek episode with a moral dilemma and a sort of examination of command.

It did bother me though we didn't see Captain Garrovick. It almost felt like they did it to just to troll old fans. They know fans would be excited at the chance to see Captain Garrovick in his first onscreen appearance and didn't do it for no good reason.

Captain Garrovick has been dead for roughly five years before the events of this episode.

That was fantastic. I must be feeling a bit dense today because I was quite a way in before I realised it was essentially a TOS pilot (though I guess you could argue M'Benga should have been there as well but it's not like he was a TOS regular.)

I guess it's a weird naval tradition that meant Kirk remained captain of Farragut despite Spock being a far more experienced officer.

I wonder if this was the first time the scavengers encountered humans? If they've been operating outside of Federation space I suppose its possible this was the first Federation ship they encountered. It is interesting that they hesitated when Pike's helmet was damaged so they could see him. You wouldn't expect they'd do that if they'd scavenged from humans before.

As to what made the best of the best turn like that, well I guess survival. Look at Ransom and the Equinox crew.

Only downside for me was that the scavengers seemed a trifle easy to beat in the end but hardly the first Trek episode to do that. Beyond that it was close to perfect.

There's no real weird naval tradition involved. Spock is a lieutenant in the science division. Kirk in this episode is now a lieutenant-commander on the command track and is officially posted as the Farragut's Executive Officer. Lieutenant-Commander Kirk literally outranks Lieutenant Spock and is part of the Farragut's chain of command. Kirk is the ranking officer and per protocol, command of the Farragut is his until Captain V'Rel returns to duty or Starfleet appoints an officer of command grade to replace him.

Now, if Captain Pike or Commander Chinn-Riley were commanding the rescue party, there's probably a regulation that would allow them to assume command of the Farragut and bigfoot Kirk out of the command chair, but Lieutenant Spock doesn't have that authority or position.