Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x06 - "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"
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Pelia has a 2600 still! It probably still works too.
I thought this one was another solid episode. I was worried that the Spock and La'an romance was going to be in every episode, but it seems they aren't leaning too hard into that yet. Scotty is turning into a scene stealer too, although usually in the form of comic relief!
The episode definitely reminded me of The Doomsday Machine at first, but did go another direction of course. It makes me curious what happened to the crew of the ship to turn them into scavengers, whether they even remember that they're human (did they not kill Pike because they realized he was human, or just saw he looked like them?), and if they did know they're human, why they didn't just contact a human colony somewhere along the line.
Beside all that though, I enjoyed seeing Kirk progressing even more. Whether they were planning it at the time or not, it's definitely a sneak preview at what the proposed Kirk spinoff could look like.
I thought this one was another solid episode. I was worried that the Spock and La'an romance was going to be in every episode, but it seems they aren't leaning too hard into that yet. Scotty is turning into a scene stealer too, although usually in the form of comic relief!
The episode definitely reminded me of The Doomsday Machine at first, but did go another direction of course. It makes me curious what happened to the crew of the ship to turn them into scavengers, whether they even remember that they're human (did they not kill Pike because they realized he was human, or just saw he looked like them?), and if they did know they're human, why they didn't just contact a human colony somewhere along the line.
Beside all that though, I enjoyed seeing Kirk progressing even more. Whether they were planning it at the time or not, it's definitely a sneak preview at what the proposed Kirk spinoff could look like.
The Reavers were a medical experiment gone wrong, the gone mad on the edge of space was just a legend or cover story that the Alliance used.
They've found something that really works, I think, which is references to pop culture stuff that the audience will largely recognize, but with a distinctly Trekkian twist - none of the rest of the crew has any idea what she's going on about. Tom Paris would, but he hasn't been born yet.
Pelia has a 2600 still! It probably still works too.
I thought this one was another solid episode. I was worried that the Spock and La'an romance was going to be in every episode, but it seems they aren't leaning too hard into that yet. Scotty is turning into a scene stealer too, although usually in the form of comic relief!
The episode definitely reminded me of The Doomsday Machine at first, but did go another direction of course. It makes me curious what happened to the crew of the ship to turn them into scavengers, whether they even remember that they're human (did they not kill Pike because they realized he was human, or just saw he looked like them?), and if they did know they're human, why they didn't just contact a human colony somewhere along the line.
Beside all that though, I enjoyed seeing Kirk progressing even more. Whether they were planning it at the time or not, it's definitely a sneak preview at what the proposed Kirk spinoff could look like.
The Reavers were a medical experiment gone wrong, the gone mad on the edge of space was just a legend or cover story that the Alliance used.
Yes, I know. Hence why I specifically pointed out the pilot episode since the movie changed it.
Paul Wesley is my favorite Kirk actor at this point. He has all the best parts of the character, but without as much of Shatner's '60s machismo or Pine's frat-boy energy. This is a guy I'd actually follow into the final frontier.
Paul Wesley won me over in Tomorrow And Tomorrow And Tomorrow... I think he's an incredibly likeable actor, who has given Kirk perfect nuances... I had my doubts back when I saw Quality Of Mercy, but I gladly admit that I was completely wrong about him... Great casting!
Good point. Monsters definitely seems to be a recurring theme this season.
As I see it, making the scavengers the "monsters" makes it more personal. It is easy to have the monsters be literal monsters. But when you make the monsters human, it raises questions about ourselves. It makes us wonder if we have monsters inside of us. That is why Kirk asks Pike if we could become like that too given the right circumstances to which Pike says "no" precisely because of how Kirk is questioning it. In other words, the fact that Kirk is aware of the possibility, questions it, and also has remorse about his actions, are the safeguards that will keep the "monster" inside humanity from coming out.
Thing is, we're not out here to run into other humans or, really, to find misery, death and destruction. But, read my signature.
That was fantastic. I must be feeling a bit dense today because I was quite a way in before I realised it was essentially a TOS pilot (though I guess you could argue M'Benga should have been there as well but it's not like he was a TOS regular.)
I guess it's a weird naval tradition that meant Kirk remained captain of Farragut despite Spock being a far more experienced officer.
I wonder if this was the first time the scavengers encountered humans? If they've been operating outside of Federation space I suppose its possible this was the first Federation ship they encountered. It is interesting that they hesitated when Pike's helmet was damaged so they could see him. You wouldn't expect they'd do that if they'd scavenged from humans before.
As to what made the best of the best turn like that, well I guess survival. Look at Ransom and the Equinox crew.
Only downside for me was that the scavengers seemed a trifle easy to beat in the end but hardly the first Trek episode to do that. Beyond that it was close to perfect.
(though I guess you could argue M'Benga should have been there as well but it's not like he was a TOS regular.)I guess it's a weird naval tradition that meant Kirk remained captain of Farragut despite Spock being a far more experienced officer.
I wonder if this was the first time the scavengers encountered humans? If they've been operating outside of Federation space I suppose its possible this was the first Federation ship they encountered. It is interesting that they hesitated when Pike's helmet was damaged so they could see him. You wouldn't expect they'd do that if they'd scavenged from humans before.
As to what made the best of the best turn like that, well I guess survival. Look at Ransom and the Equinox crew.
Only downside for me was that the scavengers seemed a trifle easy to beat in the end but hardly the first Trek episode to do that. Beyond that it was close to perfect.
Ah, got it. I misunderstood your wording then. Since they didn't contradict that story in the other Reaver episode, I read it as you had only seen their appearance in the pilot episode.
Well, just two years after First Contact humanity launched the S.S. Valiant, so yes, postatomic Earth did this sort of thing and apparently more than once. And the original ship has about ten astronauts on it, not 7,000.
TOS did have it occasionally though.
I liked the musical and cartoon. Not so sure about the puppets. But this is what I want most of the episodes to be like.
There's also a possibility that, despite Pelia's assertion that they were "the best of us, the most optimistic," some of the people involved in the program may not have been from among the nicer factions of World War III. We've already seen that there were some pretty dark ideologies prevalent in those days. If they really "scoured the world for a crew" as she says, a few of Colonel Green's remaining followers might have been Paper Clipped in.
Those early explorers had it rough. Look what happened to the Terra Nova colony on Enterprise. Colonel S. Richey gets trapped in a hotel of a bad murder mystery book.
They didn’t. They stated in dialogue that they’re taking their victims’ ships apart and building up with the materials. It’s grown into this monster ship, it didn’t start that way.
Scotty: Hey Pelia, ever since they shut down the holodeck do you have anything to game on? Our PADDs just aren't meant for gaming, the usual freemium nonsense where we have to shell out latinum for gameplay advantages and touchscreen gaming just can't match the feel of real buttons.Pelia has a 2600 still! It probably still works too.
(cue Scotty, Uhura, and La'an playing "ancient" Nintendo Switch 2, Steam Deck OLED, and ROG Ally X handhelds)
Pike: Word is that the Romulans, who we've, I mean you, still have no idea what they look like, have scanned the design of these scavengers and are going to use them as the basis for their mining ships. Their mining ships should be a real terror about a century from now. (winks at the camera)
Kirk:
Exactly. I think the episode gives us enough to fill in the blanks: the early astronauts go off into space. Their space tech was primitive. Space travel is hard. They get stranded. They get desperate to survive. At first, they probably just pirated a ship or two to steal what they need. But over the decades, their population grows, so their need for resources grows exponentially. They scavenge more and more. Over time, their ship grows into the huge scavenger ship we see now. And generations have passed. The current crew no longer remember their early mission when the original ship first launched. All they know is scavenging planets and ships to stay alive.
Yeah, I think the scavenger ship should have survived and fled. I think that would have been better than destroying it with a couple torpedoes. It was too easy. In fact, I almost chuckled a bit when they destroyed the scavenger ship so easily with torpedoes. Why did they not think of that sooner when they first noticed the phasers were not doing anything?
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