Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x06 - "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"

[Yistaan]

The plot points for Kirk mirrored ST09 more closely IMO. Planets are at risk. Communications jammed. It's stated in dialogue the enemy ship is slow (never establised for the Narada which was fast enough to reach Vulcan from Rura Penthe). Kirk's risk taking doesn't pay off twice (landing party would have died; the ship breaks). The destruction of the enemies is in the heat of battle and not an execution after they ceased to be a threat. Kirk regrets the deaths rather than seeing is as summary justice.

I believe that the novelization for the Trek 2009 had Ambassador Spock say that his Enterprise crew also came together during a time of crisis. I guess he was talking about this episode.

 

[Paul755]

Discovery did establish that the Vulcan Science Academy was interchangeable with Starfleet Academy, and Burnham was able to become an officer in Starfleet just on a Vulcan Science Academy degree alone.

We actually don't know if V'Rel or Terral or any of the other Vulcan Starfleet seen might've done the same thing or not.

Maybe Spock is the first Vulcan to go to Starfleet Academy.

I haven’t seen the ep in a while but I seem to remember it being heavily implied (if not outright stated) that Sarek pulled some strings to get Michael her commission.

 

[Dar70]

Ask your wife.

I'm not married. So you will have to ask yours...

 

[drt]

One Thing I do take issue with is the notion that you have to travel to a subspace relay. You only have to do that if your ships comms are busted. They are just interstellar phone masts.

I had interpreted that as being due to Farragut’s severe damage (or later when they’d have to use a shuttlecraft).

 

[fireproof78]

Possibly - Terran ?

Or Terratin.

The Terratin Incident (episode)

The Enterprise crew begins to shrink after radiation exposure. "Captain's log: Stardate 5577.3. We are approaching the remains of the burned out supernova, Arachna. Requested updated survey will begin with measurements of its radiation and volume expansion." Spock reports from his station that...

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[Pauln6]

Didn't she also serve with M'Benga at the Starfleet equivalent of a Battalion Aid Station/M*A*S*H unit during the Klingon War of 2256-7, or is my memory playing me false? If my memory is not wrong, presumably she was not a civilian then. If that is the case, she may have returned to civilian life after the Klingon War, gotten a position with the Stanford Morehouse Epigenetic Project, then ended up back on a Starfleet vessel on the exchange program as a civilian, but as former Starfleet, she still holds a reserve status that can be reactivated at Starfleet's discretion. (See: McCoy, Leonard H., ca. 2273)

So, it looks like the writers are doing to the characters what they did with Yeoman/CPO/Commander/MCPO/Lt(jg)/Lt-Commander Rand, as in not give a crap about continuity!

Apparently, M'Benga is a Commander, which would mean he out-ranked Lt-Commander McCoy in TOS unless he gets demoted.

Chapel is stated to be a civilian but has the rank braids of a Lt-Commander and then no braids of an Ensign in TOS (Roddenberry said he believed her to be a Brevet i.e. a provisional Ensign because she was not a Starfleet graduate). In TAS she wears the rank of Lieutenant. In TMP she wears the rank of Lieutenant on her epaulette but has Lt-Commander braids on her sleeves in the closing scene. In STIV she is a full commander.

So it would seem logical that that Chapel studied anatomy, physiology, pathology, chemistry, immunology, genetics etc as part of her biomedical degree and then volunteering as a trauma nurse during the war, possibly even obtaining a formal qualification as a nurse practitioner, capable of prescribing and performing minor surgery.

She then did a post-graduate study in epigenetics and transferred to the Enterprise as a civilian (no formal rank) but was afforded much leeway and even given a unform with a Lt-commander rank, because of her qualifications and also because Sick Bay has only one doctor and a couple of nurses.

She then does a second post-grad in Archaeological medicine.

She leaves the ship but applies to return, this time as a provisional ensign and is formally in post as head nurse and she rises in the ranks from there.

 

[Pauln6]

I had interpreted that as being due to Farragut’s severe damage (or later when they’d have to use a shuttlecraft).

I'm not so sure. Uhura said communications came back once the scavengers left. I think they made a similar error in ST09 with Spock thinking it was better to travel to the fleet at Warp 3 rather than sending a message, via subspace relay, to a closer ship or a faster ship that could get there is a fraction of the time. Even a ship further away at Warp 6 could get there in a fraction of the time. It was not logical.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not so sure. Uhura said communications came back once the scavengers left. I think they made a similar error in ST09 with Spock thinking it was better to travel to the fleet at Warp 3 rather than sending a message, via subspace relay, to a closer ship or a faster ship that could get there is a fraction of the time. Even a ship further away at Warp 6 could get there in a fraction of the time. It was not logical.

Spock was under orders from Pike. There would also be a concern of message intercept.

 

[Pauln6]

Spock was under orders from Pike. There would also be a concern of message intercept.

The Romulans haven't broken Code 3.

 

[fireproof78]

The Romulans haven't broken Code 3.

These are special Romulans.

 

[cooleddie74]

Rah-moolans!

 

[DaveyNY]

Honestly, I could skip that aspect. Just picture some dire survival situations that push the crew to go beyond their moral bounds. I don't really need to see that.

But I wasn't a fan of the idea either because for a lone group to develop a ship that was so much stronger than any Klingon and Federation ship and able to destroy planets easily just is not feasible at all. Totally unbelievable. They did what neither the Federation or Klingon Empire could do.

I get the narrative reason for doing that but it broke my suspension of disbelief.

Perhaps in their travels they came across a dead planet killer and were able to adapt the tech somewhat?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Rah-moolans!

Is that like an Or-Ree-On?

 

[NCC-73515]

Anyone else think Ortegas remark about the phone looking like a personal massager meant to be sexual? Sean at TrekCulture did.

Immediately (see page 2), also based on M'Benga's reaction

McCoy pronounced it "SELL-it."
Amanda pronounced it "SAY-lot" in "Journey to Babel," and Nimoy-Spock did likewise in "Yesteryear."
In DISCOVERY, I think I heard Michael Burnham pronounce it as "se-LOT," like Peck-Spock did this episode.

So, do we also want to tackle the proper pronunciation of Sarek - SAH-rek or SAIR-ik? Both have been used on screen over the decades.

I'm just glad they haven't called it salad yet.

I didn't see it as a T myself, I thought it was supposed to be a stylized person. I could be way off of course.

Reminded me of this

The gaping maw supership with tentacles? Blasting colony worlds for decades, everyone knows about them but nobody has done anything about it? Because Spock blew the whole dang thing up with a whopping spread of three photon torpedoes. Seems like the Klingons might have done that a while back. GTFOOH.

Yeah that bothered me too. Was its name USS Skullgreymon?

 

[indranee]

I know it's now inconsistent whether or not the TOS era has replicators (season 1 of DIS made it seem like they did), but presuming the ship can manufacture whatever you need easily, why bother keeping a lot of junk around?

I don't understand why this is in doubt. I always thought they did even if they were primitive versions of what we saw on TNG, no?

 

[Tosk]

Okay, I certainly didn't catch this myself, but it's cool. The suits are clearly the NASA Z-2 prototype suit from around 2014.



Apologies if this has been mentioned already.

 

[indranee]

Who said Chapel's interpretation was right?

For all we know, they could have gone through with it, gotten to a Starbase, and then had the higherups slap them down for not following proper regulations.

Well, that and also the fact that if she'd wrested command from Kirk and given it to Spock who not only holds a lesser rank but he and Chapel were involved... could be grounds for conflict of interest. Who knows? I'm just glad Spock shut that one down. A very TOS Spock thing to do so I liked that.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I think this is my favourite episode of the season so far!

 

[Paul755]

Well, that and also the fact that if she'd wrested command from Kirk and given it to Spock who not only holds a lesser rank but he and Chapel were involved... could be grounds for conflict of interest. Who knows? I'm just glad Spock shut that one down. A very TOS Spock thing to do so I liked that.

and if she’d wrested control from Kirk and they’d all gone along. Kirk probably never lets any of them back on the Enterprise when…if…he gets command.

Grudges can be a helluva thing. And I don’t mean the cat.

 

[Tuskin38]

So uh someone from the VFX team might have snuck a TARDIS into the episode? Image is from reddit, but I checked myself, it's there 11:27 in Canadian P+