Burnham, Spock, and Pike met Vina in that episode.I'm sorry, what? This episode is now many years after The Cage. And Pike met Vina AGAIN in Discovery. (Or other crew did. It's been a long time since I've seen the Talos IV episode.)
Burnham, Spock, and Pike met Vina in that episode.I'm sorry, what? This episode is now many years after The Cage. And Pike met Vina AGAIN in Discovery. (Or other crew did. It's been a long time since I've seen the Talos IV episode.)
True, plus SNW has also done a a follow-up episode regarding the Enterprise's mission to Rigel, the disastrous mission which happened just prior to The Cage which resulted in heavy losses, among them Pike's Yeoman, who we actually survived in S2's Among the Lotus Eaters.I'm sorry, what? This episode is now many years after The Cage. And Pike met Vina AGAIN in Discovery. (Or other crew did. It's been a long time since I've seen the Talos IV episode.)
Ahh okay thanks for the reminder. This also makes me wonder if despite the regeneration Dr. M'Benga was attempting -- even without the issue of the malevolent being pretty much inhabiting that poor guy's dead carcass (in the most basic way -- I mean, his BRAIN was gone) -- was more or less an experimental treatment at that point. Maybe it became like Holodeck tech... shelved until a future date.
We need it for many science reasons."Brain and brain! What is brain?!"
Me too. I goofed on how recent that was. Mea culpa (beats back with thorny vines) It was 13 years ago in The Menagerie. It all seemed sooner to me because Nimoy didn't really age between The Cage and The Menagerie.Burnham, Spock, and Pike met Vina in that episode.
Funny thing about the alien script is that it’s apparently veeery limited. Take that shot of the tablet they found; it only seems to consist of three distinct symbols that are only rotated and oriented differently.
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There are cameras that far exceed the eye's capabilities while there's nothing anywhere near close to replicating kidney functions. Pretty straightforward. Thanks for playing though. But I'm sure this isn't the time or place for this discussion!It was about the comparative complexity of kidneys versus eyes and their connections. Factually the retina is more complex than the kidney. Optical light bending is only the beginning of how an eye works, and it's the retina that matters here. There are no cameras that can replace the retina. Relativity is the key here. All organs are somewhat complex seen by themselves, includeling the kiddleys, but relative to the neural circuitry, synaptic connections, sheer processing power, the retina is less simple than the kidney. That's all I said, diddle I?![]()
There are cameras that far exceed the eye's capabilities while there's nothing anywhere near close to replicating kidney functions.
In the Awe Mister's defense he already mentioned that and noted the difference in functionality, and the appropriate thought to the complexity of the kidney compared to the eye.Except for dialysis, sure.
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I'm not quite sure what you think you're getting at but factually artificial kidneys lag far behind artificial optics because the kidney’s job is far more chemically complex. Optics rely on well-understood physics to bend and focus light, and engineers have mastered that with lenses and sensors. The kidney, by contrast, must filter blood, selectively reabsorb vital substances, regulate electrolytes and blood pressure, balance pH, and produce hormones — all in real time. Current artificial kidneys, like dialysis machines, can only mimic part of this and require bulky, intermittent treatments. In short, we can build cameras that rival or surpass the eye’s optics, but we’re nowhere close to fully replacing a kidney’s full range of functions.
Knowing very little about dialysis I'll agree that his argument seems good enoughWell, I suppose it’s a matter of degree. People live a longer time using a dialysis machine, so they definitely work.
Anyway, it’s not that important. I’m happy to give up the argument.
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The topic of course was comparative tissue complexity, not how well technology can mimic its general function. But since we're talking about different things, you win yours, and I win mine, and we can all be happyThere are cameras that far exceed the eye's capabilities while there's nothing anywhere near close to replicating kidney functions. Pretty straightforward. Thanks for playing though. But I'm sure this isn't the time or place for this discussion!![]()
They do work but they are bulky imperfect machines that only perform some of the kidney functions. Meanwhile we have cameras that far exceed the eye's capabilities.Well, I suppose it’s a matter of degree. People live a longer time using a dialysis machine, so they definitely work.
Anyway, it’s not that important. I’m happy to give up the argument.
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It's not a contest and I'm not aware of any BBS rule stating that you determine the nature of the topic.The topic of course was comparative tissue complexity, not how well technology can mimic its general function. But since we're talking about different things, you win yours, and I win mine, and we can all be happy![]()
I found it! This is the specific comment I replied to. I'm just saying that kidneys are NOT "much simpler than eyes." That's all!Kidneys are much simpler than eyes and their connections, but I think we don't know what exactly was missing in Geordi's eyes.
As in all forums and discussions (I would assume everywhere), the topic of an exchange is what one replies to, regardless of who brought up the point you are responding to. I stand by my facts (evidence of which is available online and offline), and you can of course stand by yours.I'm not aware of any BBS rule stating that you determine the nature of the topic.
Memory Alpha says the Q have a homeworld because of this episode now? What the heck.
No, that loose connection comes from Episode 2, not this episode.Memory Alpha says the Q have a homeworld because of this episode now? What the heck.
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