Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x05 - "Through the Lens of Time"

[Mr Awe]

Strawman argument. Are you going to tell me that watching any TNG episode, you ACTUALLY believed the 1701-D would be destroyed, or a main character killed?

Come on.

Um. Tasha Yar?

But, yeah, your point is valid overall.

 

[Mr Awe]

Kidneys are much simpler than eyes and their connections, but I think we don't know what exactly was missing in Geordi's eyes.

If you think kidneys are simple, you're sadly mistaken. Even with modern technology, it's difficult if not impossible to replicate kidney functions in a small efficient package. Their ability to balance chemicals and remove waste are unparalleled and complex.

 

[Yistaan]

Moving the eugenics war is not minor.

And the cartoons were always canon to this fan. So, it didn't alter anything. Rewatching TAS definitely made TNG slightly more palatable because many ideas are replicated in TNG from TAS.


Not exactly. Roddenberry liked to say TAS wasn't canon, but didn't have the ownership rights to say so, but fans took it and ran with it. Then CBS said it was and onward we go. For me, it was always canon because that's how it was referenced in the Star Trek Concordance and Encyclopedia.

I don't know which version of the Encyclopedia you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure the edition called Omnipedia omitted TAS and mentioned that Rodenberry didn't consider it canon.

CBS does consider it canon per the official site now, and nods like the fate of giant Spock clone. That being said, the visual appearance of Robert April according to TAS obviously isn't canon anymore.

 

[Mr Awe]

Are these transdimensional aliens going to be a new threat to Enterprise, or is this just a one off adventure?

The screen "malfunction" at the end strongly suggests they'll be back. Perhaps for the season finale?

 

[Mr Awe]

That's not the type of happy ending I want to see.

I want him to have a normal life; even if he has to have a Wheel Chair, or walk with a limp, or walk with a cane, or have Cybernetic replacement limbs.

Something better then being bound to the chair and requiring Illusions to have a happy ending.

It might not be your idea of a happy ending but life's not far. Sometime shit happens and you just have to work with it. In this case, it's pretty good deal considering what happened to him. And fortunately, Pike is more resilient and adaptable than you and will make the best of it.

 

[Noname Given]

Um. Tasha Yar?

But, yeah, your point is valid overall.

And her character's death was announced in various entertainment media at the time WEEKS prior to the episode airing because it was a big deal to quit Star Trek.

 

[Pauln6]

It almost feels like they are trying to connect a lot of the "godlike" races, because of course, how could they not know of each other or be related!?

We're seeing some of the most advanced, and also a variety of lesser beings, like the M'Koon who have "fallen" you might say.

I'm largely OK with that. How many powerful pan-dimensional races do we need? A recent IDW comic did have them all sitting in a pan-dimensional UN. Similarly, I have always been very irritated at Trek's inconsistent approach to ancient androids, modern androids, and home made androids.

Everyone is all, ooh aren't Soong type androids amazing while the Old Ones are spinning in their graves.

 

[Mr Awe]

It's just my impression or everyone in this episode suffered from terminal stupidity?

No, you're not the only one. I commented on it in my review. The Enterprise crew didn't come off looking very professional in the early portion. Probably the first third of the story. Juvenile, Unprofessional. Swayed by emotion.

And the logical thing for Spock to do when considering whether to continue the mission was to simply go outside the structure and ask Pike! (Of course, he might have been killed but he didn't know that.) After they saw the other aliens died from being trapped, your first thought should be to get out of there and regroup.

But, I enjoyed the episode for its creepiness. Gave it a 9. But some of the first bits had me worried.

 

[Mr Awe]

And her character's death was announced in various entertainment media at the time WEEKS prior to the episode airing because it was a big deal to quit Star Trek.

So? Still killed her off.

But I agree with your larger point.

 

[NCC-73515]

If you think kidneys are simple, you're sadly mistaken. Even with modern technology, it's difficult if not impossible to replicate kidney functions in a small efficient package. Their ability to balance chemicals and remove waste are unparalleled and complex.

Now compare them with retinas, to make the reply fit the original statement

 

[Skipper]

And the logical thing for Spock to do when considering whether to continue the mission was to simply go outside the structure and ask Pike! (Of course, he might have been killed but he didn't know that.) After they saw the other aliens died from being trapped, your first thought should be to get out of there and regroup.

I was genuinely confused. Spock merely suggested leaving the building for a moment to report to Pike. But everyone was reacting as if that meant they'd never be able to explore it again.

Perhaps I'd missed something? Worst case scenario, the exploration was just being delayed. Or wasn't?

 

[Tallguy]

Ahhhh. Much better.

It would be even better if Pike was the lead of his own show again. (YES I will keep beating this drum.)

And I'm pretty sure we've just been introduced to the season finale.

 

[MarcKyle1964]

Now compare them with retinas, to make the reply fit the original statement

Mine look really interesting, some parts look like semi-sentient primates shot at it over and over with a laser*. Trust me, you see every shot.

*photocoagulation. My eye felt hot after.

 

[MarcKyle1964]

Ahhhh. Much better.

It would be even better if Pike was the lead of his own show again. (YES I will keep beating this drum.)

And I'm pretty sure we've just been introduced to the season finale.

And we must remember that Pike hadn't met Vina until the events of The Cage, she was already on Talos IV when he was a cadet. I sincerely hope we don't see a pre-Cage Vina cameo in SNW.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

And we must remember that Pike hadn't met Vina until the events of The Cage, she was already on Talos IV when he was a cadet. I sincerely hope we don't see a pre-Cage Vina cameo in SNW.

SNW is many years after the Cage.

 

[Nerys Myk]

SNW is many years after the Cage.

People seem to forget Spock says this in his court martial

SPOCK: This is thirteen years ago. The Enterprise and its commander, Captain Christopher Pike.

 

[Mudd]

Good show. I liked the appropriate thematic resonance with "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" Foreshadowing, in a sense.

Bloch was fond of the Cthulhu mythos. He liked to reference the Ancient Unspeakable Horrors in his own work.

 

[Mr Awe]

Now compare them with retinas, to make the reply fit the original statement

I'm not quite sure what you think you're getting at but factually artificial kidneys lag far behind artificial optics because the kidney’s job is far more chemically complex. Optics rely on well-understood physics to bend and focus light, and engineers have mastered that with lenses and sensors. The kidney, by contrast, must filter blood, selectively reabsorb vital substances, regulate electrolytes and blood pressure, balance pH, and produce hormones — all in real time. Current artificial kidneys, like dialysis machines, can only mimic part of this and require bulky, intermittent treatments. In short, we can build cameras that rival or surpass the eye’s optics, but we’re nowhere close to fully replacing a kidney’s full range of functions.

 

[NCC-73515]

I'm not quite sure what you think you're getting at but factually artificial kidneys lag far behind artificial optics because the kidney’s job is far more chemically complex. Optics rely on well-understood physics to bend and focus light, and engineers have mastered that with lenses and sensors. The kidney, by contrast, must filter blood, selectively reabsorb vital substances, regulate electrolytes and blood pressure, balance pH, and produce hormones — all in real time. Current artificial kidneys, like dialysis machines, can only mimic part of this and require bulky, intermittent treatments. In short, we can build cameras that rival or surpass the eye’s optics, but we’re nowhere close to fully replacing a kidney’s full range of functions.

It was about the comparative complexity of kidneys versus eyes and their connections. Factually the retina is more complex than the kidney. Optical light bending is only the beginning of how an eye works, and it's the retina that matters here. There are no cameras that can replace the retina. Relativity is the key here. All organs are somewhat complex seen by themselves, includeling the kiddleys, but relative to the neural circuitry, synaptic connections, sheer processing power, the retina is less simple than the kidney. That's all I said, diddle I?

 

[Tallguy]

And we must remember that Pike hadn't met Vina until the events of The Cage, she was already on Talos IV when he was a cadet. I sincerely hope we don't see a pre-Cage Vina cameo in SNW.

I'm sorry, what? This episode is now many years after The Cage. And Pike met Vina AGAIN in Discovery. (Or other crew did. It's been a long time since I've seen the Talos IV episode.)