Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x05 - "Through the Lens of Time"

[MarcKyle1964]

"I can imagine why you wouldn't want to bring Gary Mitchell up."

Y'know, I totally forgot Mitchell was driving, what with him getting quickly zapped and the fadeout there where his glowing eyes stayed for a sec. He went from Helmsman Mitchell to Psi Enabled Mitchell pretty quickly.

(Homer Simpsonesque grumbling) "Stupid Mitchell and his James R. Kirk..."

Reconning happened the moment Shat first said 'James Tee Kirk'

I so hope SNW remembers it is supposed to be anthology based, with planets/stories with little connection to any other except for our meddlesome crew. We already know (engage echo chamber) the story-arcs-to-come...come...come.

No story arcs, m'kay?

 

[MarcKyle1964]

Realistically, the cat shouldn't have even let him grip onto the amount of the door he was. Really, as soon as Jack grabbed hold of the door, the cat should have just glared at him all "WTF, bro?" until Jack let go and froze to death away from the door. But I understand the folks behind the video had to work with the pre-existing movie footage.

They basically green screen Lizzie playing or responding to prompts or treats and fit that into an existing image. The funniest part is when Dawson is looking out the porthole and she pops up with a 'blert?'.

 

[DaveyNY]

My guess:

You know that Running Away is the InterGalactic sign of a guilty soul.

If you suddenly need to run away, you're guilty or afraid of something.

The Facility's automated defense system must've picked up on that and used that as the reason to zap him.

If he was innocent or harmless, he wouldn't be trying to run away in a hurry.

Actually, the automated system only recognized Chapel's DNA and only allowed those that were in her immediate vicinity to go in or out.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

The truth of someone's identity, and the potential loss of identity seem to be a recurring themes this season so far, outside of Hegemony Part 2.

 

[JoseNoodles]

You're...you're joking, right?

One need only look at the Original Trilogy to see retcon after retcon. Vader started out as the guy who killed Luke's father in Star Wars, only to become his actual dad in Empire...simply because Lucas thought this was a better twist than having Obi-wan being the true murderer. Luke wanted to bang his sister for two movies because Lucas only decided they were twins when writing Return of the Jedi. And don't get me started on Han vs Greedo, that only proved how much of a revisionist Lucas was. How many times did he have to redo a scene he got right the first damn time? There's more discrepancies, further exacerbated by the Prequels and more, but you get my point.

Lucas loves to claim he planned all three, no wait six, no wait nine, movies ahead of time. But anyone who watched interviews at the time or read The Secret History of Star Wars, knows this is complete bullshit. He was making it up as he went along. And it shows.

As others have pointed out, Star Wars has much less content than Star Trek, in terms of actual hours of TV and film. It also has one predominant writer vs many for Trek. I love Star Wars...I was a Star Wars fan long before I became a Star Trek fan. But Star Wars has way more obvious and egregious continuity errors than Star Trek ever had, especially considering it's lesser content and single author.

Remember how Vader was like Tarkin's lackey before he became the Big Bad Boss.

 

[1001001]

Hey, an actual Strange New World on Strange New Worlds.

I think this is Star Trek at its best. Really loved this one. Maybe my favorite SNW episode so far.

10

 

[TRON JA307020]

I liked it more than any other episode this season. Finally exploring something. Umthis show has so few episodes im surprised they are wasting time on comedies on the ship. But there's more of that to come unfortunately.

I liked the planet scenes in the temple. I liked how the landing party were in real danger and the alien that took over the nurse was pretty terrifying. I also liked that Dr. M'Benga wanted to save the young nurse and hesitated to shoot him. Mbenga has been portrayed as such a cold blooded killer that it was refreshing to see him actually having a patient he cared about. Hes a doctor after all and unlike McCoy we rarely get a chance to see him focusing on his craft and actually caring about a patient.

One thing im not sure I'll like.
Batel is obviously turning into a gorn/human hybrid. I hope this is not the way they are explaining the TOS gorn. If so and if spock sees the final transformation.you would think he would have been aware of it in TOS knowing he helped create the new species of gorn. We'll see I guess.

So yeah this episide was refreshing. Too bad we get so little of these kind of stories.

 

[Ovation]

This episode inspired me to watch the TOS episode with Korby. Leaving aside the visuals (Trek is not a period piece and I view it, along with Doctor Who, as the same thing as Curt Swan Superman and José Garcia-Lopez Superman, or various theatre productions of plays—artistic expressions of fiction), I was surprised at how well it “lined up” (even though I don’t focus so much on that—unlike the 15 year old fan I was over 40 years ago, but that’s just me). I appreciate the additional context this episode adds to the TOS one.

 

[Jedi Marso]

That's not the type of happy ending I want to see.

I want him to have a normal life; even if he has to have a Wheel Chair, or walk with a limp, or walk with a cane, or have Cybernetic replacement limbs.

Something better then being bound to the chair and requiring Illusions to have a happy ending.

Sometimes people don't get a happy ending.

 

[TRON JA307020]

This episode inspired me to watch the TOS episode with Korby. Leaving aside the visuals (Trek is not a period piece and I view it, along with Doctor Who, as the same thing as Curt Swan Superman and José Garcia-Lopez Superman, or various theatre productions of plays—artistic expressions of fiction), I was surprised at how well it “lined up” (even though I don’t focus so much on that—unlike the 15 year old fan I was over 40 years ago, but that’s just me). I appreciate the additional context this episode adds to the TOS one.

Yeah. We see how 5 years younger Korby is an a hole already. Pretty much a reckless scientist.

 

[Yistaan]

Yeah. We see how 5 years younger Korby is an a hole already. Pretty much a reckless scientist.

Yep. I wish I could say that Chapel dumping a kind, steady, and reliable guy like Spock for a jerk like Korby, just because he has "cooler" social skills but lacking in where it really matters, was unrealistic but...

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yep. I wish I could say that Chapel dumping a kind, steady, and reliable guy like Spock for a jerk like Korby, just because he has "cooler" social skills but lacking in where it really matters, was unrealistic but...

I think she likes the rebel in korby and his cool leather jacket with the collar up.

Lol.


One thing I haven't mentioned that i like in this episode. Chapel and Gamble get white pull over uniforms that match the gold, red and blue uniform tunics. I hope to see Chapel wear it more often. Im not a big fan of the jumpsuit.

 

[Yoda]

Well I mean so long as they're just handing me more material for the same meme two episodes in a row:

As an episode of SNW it's maybe a 6. As an episode of Star Trek it's more like a 4. Kind of a hodgepodge of borrowed ideas that don't really come together. And we probably didn't need to see the poor nurse with his eyes ripped out, though I suppose he was already dead at the time.

Because it contradicts all of TNG. TNG got the idea from the animated series because at the time the animated series was not Canon so they used the idea. Then some "bright" person at Paramount decided to say the AS is now canon even though it really isn't. Just another can of worms......these guys could learn a thing or two from Star Wars productions. They ain't perfect but they sure as hell try to make things reasonably fit. (Although everyone needs to stop putting cartoons as part of the Canon d r these franchises)

It was very weird when Star Wars showed up with some cartoons and called them canon. Even weirder that apparently Star Trek retroactively did the same decades after the fact (?)

Both franchises sadly require a heavily curated head-canon to be enjoyable. Hard to overstate the damage JJ and his minions wrought upon the once great franchises.

 

[Crazy Wolf]

Welcome aboard!! I take it you're Tibetan... I have a personal connection to Tibet. Either way, I hope you have fun here

Hello! I am Bulgarian. A few decades ago, I studied the Tibetan language, I know the alphabet, but I have forgotten the language.

 

[Dar70]

Well I mean so long as they're just handing me more material for the same meme two episodes in a row:

As an episode of SNW it's maybe a 6. As an episode of Star Trek it's more like a 4. Kind of a hodgepodge of borrowed ideas that don't really come together. And we probably didn't need to see the poor nurse with his eyes ripped out, though I suppose he was already dead at the time.

It was very weird when Star Wars showed up with some cartoons and called them canon. Even weirder that apparently Star Trek retroactively did the same decades after the fact (?)

Both franchises sadly require a heavily curated head-canon to be enjoyable. Hard to overstate the damage JJ and his minions wrought upon the once great franchises.

Exactly. That is the one thing Star Wars got wrong. They canonized a ton of cartoon. Hundreds of episodes. So someone at Paramount decided let's do the same. Thereby causing even more canon issues. It's bad enough that the Berman shows made errors or a minor Retcon here or there. Now we have these mini series doing it even more more heavily and they are only 10 episode seasons ..

 

[fireproof78]

Exactly. That is the one thing Star Wars got wrong. They canonized a ton of cartoon. Hundreds of episodes. So someone at Paramount decided let's do the same. Thereby causing even more canon issues. It's bad enough that the Berman shows made errors or a minor Retcon here or there. Now we have these mini series doing it even more more heavily and they are only 10 episode seasons ..

Moving the eugenics war is not minor.

And the cartoons were always canon to this fan. So, it didn't alter anything. Rewatching TAS definitely made TNG slightly more palatable because many ideas are replicated in TNG from TAS.

It was very weird when Star Wars showed up with some cartoons and called them canon. Even weirder that apparently Star Trek retroactively did the same decades after the fact (?)

Not exactly. Roddenberry liked to say TAS wasn't canon, but didn't have the ownership rights to say so, but fans took it and ran with it. Then CBS said it was and onward we go. For me, it was always canon because that's how it was referenced in the Star Trek Concordance and Encyclopedia.

 

[Tuskin38]

It was very weird when Star Wars showed up with some cartoons and called them canon.

Why?

That is the one thing Star Wars got wrong

Why?

Well I mean so long as they're just handing me more material for the same meme two episodes in a row:

Not a contradiction.

 

[Yoda]

Not exactly. Roddenberry liked to say TAS wasn't canon, but didn't have the ownership rights to say so, but fans took it and ran with it. Then CBS said it was and onward we go. For me, it was always canon because that's how it was referenced in the Star Trek Concordance and Encyclopedia.

Star Trek under the corporate ownership rights isn't even a Ship of Theseus at this point. That rickety old boat sank decades ago. They tried to rebuild it anew and ended up with a leaky garbage scow.

Why?

Why not?

Not a contradiction.

Yes, a contradiction.

 

[Tuskin38]

Why not?

I asked first. Also that makes no sense.

Yes, a contradiction

Nope. Geordi was blind from birth, he wasn't blinded in an accident there's nothing to regenerate, It wouldn't work for him.

They tried to rebuild it anew and ended up with a leaky garbage scow.

Nope.

 

[Yoda]

I asked first. Also that makes no sense.

I asked second. First is the worst, second is the best. See also TNG vs TOS. Also it does make sense.

Nope. Geordi was blind from birth, he wasn't blinded in an accident there's nothing to regenerate, It wouldn't work for him.

It'd work, just cut out all the broken stuff and have the magic glasses regrow it.

Nope.

Yep