Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x05 - "Through the Lens of Time"
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I don't really mind them updating the aesthetic as long as they maintain the application of the technology in the story.
The writers seem to have been given no guard rails for the application of transporters suitable for this period and some of the medical tech seems a bit too advanced. Most of it can be hand-waved away.
The use of the transporter buffer to hold patterns indefinitely without pattern degradation also feels wrong but it's pretty much a given now.
The writers seem to have been given no guard rails for the application of transporters suitable for this period and some of the medical tech seems a bit too advanced. Most of it can be hand-waved away.
The use of the transporter buffer to hold patterns indefinitely without pattern degradation also feels wrong but it's pretty much a given now.
There is a reason why older people tend to need help using a mobile phone compared to the phones they grew up with, even though both can make and receive calls.Well then why did Data have to tell him he could recreate the TOS bridge on the Holodeck? That is what he told the computer when he went to the Holodeck. As a pioneer in the technology he should only have been told they "we have a Holodeck here that you helped pioneer. Go nuts."
You're...you're joking, right?
One need only look at the Original Trilogy to see retcon after retcon. Vader started out as the guy who killed Luke's father in Star Wars, only to become his actual dad in Empire...simply because Lucas thought this was a better twist than having Obi-wan being the true murderer. Luke wanted to bang his sister for two movies because Lucas only decided they were twins when writing Return of the Jedi. And don't get me started on Han vs Greedo, that only proved how much of a revisionist Lucas was. How many times did he have to redo a scene he got right the first damn time? There's more discrepancies, further exacerbated by the Prequels and more, but you get my point.
Lucas loves to claim he planned all three, no wait six, no wait nine, movies ahead of time. But anyone who watched interviews at the time or read The Secret History of Star Wars, knows this is complete bullshit. He was making it up as he went along. And it shows.
As others have pointed out, Star Wars has much less content than Star Trek, in terms of actual hours of TV and film. It also has one predominant writer vs many for Trek. I love Star Wars...I was a Star Wars fan long before I became a Star Trek fan. But Star Wars has way more obvious and egregious continuity errors than Star Trek ever had, especially considering it's lesser content and single author.
Based upon the standards poisted in this thread the below dialog makes Riker look stupid:
RIKER: Ensign, can you help me find Commander Data? I understand he's somewhere on this deck.
ENSIGN: This way, sir. You must be new to these Galaxy class starships, sir. (to wall) Tell me the location of Commander Data.
COMPUTER: Lieutenant Commander Data now located in Holodeck area 4J.
ENSIGN: And as you see, sir, it's pointing you that way.
RIKER: Thank you
ENSIGN: You're welcome, sir.
But that's different. Somehow.
"Who designed this ship anyway?"
Well, it was a $40 million remake of TOS S2 The Changeling.TMP DOES feel In continuity with TOS..
"we don't mention Sulu's predecessor here".
Because that's not how the holodeck he tested worked?Well then why did Data have to tell him he could recreate the TOS bridge on the Holodeck? That is what he told the computer when he went to the Holodeck. As a pioneer in the technology he should only have been told they "we have a Holodeck here that you helped pioneer. Go nuts."
Remember La'an couldn't just say "computer give me a mystery" there was a whole thing with Scotty specifically having to upload the books and stick a neural interface on her.
That was the 0.003% he lost
"I can imagine why you wouldn't want to bring Gary Mitchell up."
Those are not continuity issues. It's called adding backstory. None of it contradicted ANH. Of course Lucas didn't have all three films planned out. Any nerd worth his salt knows this. What you are describing is not continuity or canon.
As for Han shooting Greedo second. So what??That was redone and Lucas had every right to. If the original creators of TNG want to go into the episodes and edit them to make more sense with SNW they are welcome to. I have no problem with that. But for now that that is not the case....
No one will ever convince me that Star Trek is on the same level as Star Wars when it concerns story cohesion. Star wars is gold compared to copper Star Trek in that regard.
Lucas had NO CLUE of where the Star Wars saga would go. Heck the main characters were being changed a lot in development. Han Solo was a green shinned monster with gills and Luke Skywalker was called Annakin Starkiller who was a general from a family of dwarfs. The first movie wasn't even called episode 4 A New Hope on release. It was simply called Star Wars. And don't try and tell me Luke and Leia were meant to be brother and sister all along when you had the two of them kissing in the second movie. Give me a break. That was a last second change as was Vader being Luke's father. Lucas is the biggest BS artist in history. NONE of that stuff was well planned nor thought out.
The fact that Lucas felt the need to make changes to that trilogy every darn time it was release on DVD or Blue Ray proves he had no plan or vision. No one makes that many changes to his films after release if that was the case. I don't recall Gene Rodenberry demanding changes to TOS years after the fact.
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Then I have a bridge in San Francisco to sell you. It's also golden.
I'm glad this episode was doing what the title of the series suggests... visiting a strange new world.
"We're gonna need a bigger landing party." Anyone else thinking of JAWS when Chapel said this? Because I sure did.
I liked the Indiana Jones-like story on the planet. Even ripped off THE LAST CRUSADE directly with the invisible bridge. (That is my favorite Indiana Jones movie... so if they're going to rip off something, at least they are ripping off from the best.) I do find it curious that Ortegas' camera was able to go into that room with no issues.
Speaking of Ortegas, Erica's statement of her brother 'not signing up for any of this' is just false. Beto DID sign up to do a documentary of their missions, and these missions can be dangerous. So, sorry Erica, I am usually in your corner but you are completely wrong here.
I do think several people here were being a little dumber than normal, since half the landing party seemed to skip the Starfleet Academy classes on not touching everything in an unknown place. They clearly watched ALIEN: COVENANT instead. Chapel just letting her finger get poked by an alien needle, Gamble just grabbing onto orbs (which was clearly a fatal move). At least Spock TRIED to remind everyone of the regulations, despite him ending up going along with them continuing. But this was a case of making the leads dumber than normal just to make a story, which does the characters no favors.
Speaking of Gamble: I think he was dead from the moment the Vezda melted his eyes. His eyeless scenes were very much an homage to EVENT HORIZON, which also dealt with another dimension inhabited by evil beings. (I do wonder if that is the main method of the Vezda inhabiting others, which goes back to the phrase, "the eyes are the windows to the soul".) I liked the creepiness of those scenes. I do like that they gave him a few scenes in a couple other episodes this season so his death would be more impactful. I think this was done better than what DISCO did with Airiam.
We don't know how old the Gorn, as an intelligent species, are. So it's possible they have an instinctual knowledge of the Vezda, passed down through the generations. They are clearly setting up a big threat here with how Batel reacted (and maybe even how this will affect her fate, whatever it may be) and the glitching of the screen at the end.
One thing that seemed to be completely glossed over: La'an recognized Chinese on that panel. How did that get there? Or more to the point, have the Vezda been to Earth or maybe influenced some of our myths? THAT is a story worth telling there.
The M'Kroon seem like they are partly merged with technology, at least the guy's face looked like some kind of small tech was there. A shame we didn't get to see more of them.
So we see here that Korby does have quite the fascination with immortality, which gives another layer to his android version's reasonings in TOS' "WHAT ARE LITTLE GIRLS MADE OF?".
Loved Pelia here. She loves the camera, which is just funny for some reason. I do love her speech at the end when she cuts off Pike and reminds them that there ARE truly evil things that exist in the universe, just as surely as there is good. And while Pike does have a point that there are shades of gray, Pelia is 100% correct.
This episode really underscores why short seasons are not a good thing... this could easily have been two separate episodes. It feels like two stories were truncated, mashed together, and edited to be a single episode. It's a form of, for lack of a better term, economic storytelling. While this can be used very effectively, I don't think it worked as well here. Both stories felt a bit rushed... either splitting them into two episodes or this one having a longer running time would have made a big difference. Also trying to rush through the relationships of Spock just highlights why it's my least favorite thing about SNW. It's like going through highlight reels of relationships than actually living or experiencing it naturally, over time. DS9 did it far better with Dax and Worf, and VOY with Tom and B'Elanna.
This was definitely superior to last week's, but not as strong as it could have been. The two stories feeling truncated and the Spock soap opera bring it down for me. I give it a 6.
"We're gonna need a bigger landing party." Anyone else thinking of JAWS when Chapel said this? Because I sure did.
I liked the Indiana Jones-like story on the planet. Even ripped off THE LAST CRUSADE directly with the invisible bridge. (That is my favorite Indiana Jones movie... so if they're going to rip off something, at least they are ripping off from the best.) I do find it curious that Ortegas' camera was able to go into that room with no issues.
Speaking of Ortegas, Erica's statement of her brother 'not signing up for any of this' is just false. Beto DID sign up to do a documentary of their missions, and these missions can be dangerous. So, sorry Erica, I am usually in your corner but you are completely wrong here.
I do think several people here were being a little dumber than normal, since half the landing party seemed to skip the Starfleet Academy classes on not touching everything in an unknown place. They clearly watched ALIEN: COVENANT instead. Chapel just letting her finger get poked by an alien needle, Gamble just grabbing onto orbs (which was clearly a fatal move). At least Spock TRIED to remind everyone of the regulations, despite him ending up going along with them continuing. But this was a case of making the leads dumber than normal just to make a story, which does the characters no favors.
Speaking of Gamble: I think he was dead from the moment the Vezda melted his eyes. His eyeless scenes were very much an homage to EVENT HORIZON, which also dealt with another dimension inhabited by evil beings. (I do wonder if that is the main method of the Vezda inhabiting others, which goes back to the phrase, "the eyes are the windows to the soul".) I liked the creepiness of those scenes. I do like that they gave him a few scenes in a couple other episodes this season so his death would be more impactful. I think this was done better than what DISCO did with Airiam.
We don't know how old the Gorn, as an intelligent species, are. So it's possible they have an instinctual knowledge of the Vezda, passed down through the generations. They are clearly setting up a big threat here with how Batel reacted (and maybe even how this will affect her fate, whatever it may be) and the glitching of the screen at the end.
One thing that seemed to be completely glossed over: La'an recognized Chinese on that panel. How did that get there? Or more to the point, have the Vezda been to Earth or maybe influenced some of our myths? THAT is a story worth telling there.
The M'Kroon seem like they are partly merged with technology, at least the guy's face looked like some kind of small tech was there. A shame we didn't get to see more of them.
So we see here that Korby does have quite the fascination with immortality, which gives another layer to his android version's reasonings in TOS' "WHAT ARE LITTLE GIRLS MADE OF?".
Loved Pelia here. She loves the camera, which is just funny for some reason. I do love her speech at the end when she cuts off Pike and reminds them that there ARE truly evil things that exist in the universe, just as surely as there is good. And while Pike does have a point that there are shades of gray, Pelia is 100% correct.
This episode really underscores why short seasons are not a good thing... this could easily have been two separate episodes. It feels like two stories were truncated, mashed together, and edited to be a single episode. It's a form of, for lack of a better term, economic storytelling. While this can be used very effectively, I don't think it worked as well here. Both stories felt a bit rushed... either splitting them into two episodes or this one having a longer running time would have made a big difference. Also trying to rush through the relationships of Spock just highlights why it's my least favorite thing about SNW. It's like going through highlight reels of relationships than actually living or experiencing it naturally, over time. DS9 did it far better with Dax and Worf, and VOY with Tom and B'Elanna.
This was definitely superior to last week's, but not as strong as it could have been. The two stories feeling truncated and the Spock soap opera bring it down for me. I give it a 6.
lol no
Yes. Absolutely YES....
Realistically, the cat shouldn't have even let him grip onto the amount of the door he was. Really, as soon as Jack grabbed hold of the door, the cat should have just glared at him all "WTF, bro?" until Jack let go and froze to death away from the door. But I understand the folks behind the video had to work with the pre-existing movie footage.
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