Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x04 - "A Space Adventure Hour"

[Tuskin38]

IIRC a recent interview said we'd see 'a version of Sybok'

 

[Trekker4747]

As someone who hasn't ast watched STV in probably 10 or 15 years, I'm hoping to see them pick up on the Sybok thing too.

 

[indranee]

For what's worth, Khan's mother was named Kaur in my novels.

I am loath to admit I did not read it! Forgive me please. I've had ten years of being a caregiver to two dying parents and am just now coming back to my old life and my Trek family. Which one is it? I'd love to read it. Message me if you'd like?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Singh is not a woman's last name, though. Kaur is more like it. But hey it's ignorant Trek writers so we let them do it.

Khan doesn't seem to be the most traditional Sikh. (If he's actually a Sikh). His name seems to come from the research facility where he was born. He and his decedents may have simply adopted the name. Perhaps all of his cohort use the name.

Google tells men there are women who use "Singh" as a last name,.

Pratima Singh: An Indian basketball player who has represented India.
Shaili Singh: An Indian long jumper who was raised by a single mother.
Lilly Singh: A Canadian YouTuber and entertainer.
Vineeta Singh: An Indian entrepreneur and CEO of Sugar Cosmetics, also a judge on Shark Tank India.
Lakshmi Singh: An American journalist who anchors Midday for NPR Newscasts.
Lisa Singh: An Australian politician.
Sabrina Singh: An American administrator who served as Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary.
Abha Singh: An Indian activist and advocate for women's rights.
Nikky-Guninder Kaur Singh: A scholar of Sikhism and professor at Colby College.
Nalini Singh: A New Zealand author of paranormal romance novels.
Nikita Singh: An Indian author of young adult novels.
Khush Singh: An Indian-born American make-up artist, producer, and businesswoman.
Gracy Singh: An Indian actress known for her roles in "Lagaan" and "Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.".
Mona Singh: An Indian actress known for her role in "Jassi Jaissi Koi Nahin".
Barkha Singh: An Indian actress who has appeared in films and web series.

 

[Greg Cox]

I am loath to admit I did not read it! Forgive me please. I've had ten years of being a caregiver to two dying parents and am just now coming back to my old life and my Trek family. Which one is it? I'd love to read it. Message me if you'd like?

Sarina Kaur appears in Volume One of my Eugenics Wars novels, and is referenced in the two sequels

 

[Donald G]

Khan doesn't seem to be the most traditional Sikh. (If he's actually a Sikh). His name seems to come from the research facility where he was born. He and his decedents may have simply adopted the name. Perhaps all of his cohort use the name.

Google tells men there are women who use "Singh" as a last name,.

Pratima Singh: An Indian basketball player who has represented India.
Shaili Singh: An Indian long jumper who was raised by a single mother.
Lilly Singh: A Canadian YouTuber and entertainer.
Vineeta Singh: An Indian entrepreneur and CEO of Sugar Cosmetics, also a judge on Shark Tank India.
Lakshmi Singh: An American journalist who anchors Midday for NPR Newscasts.
Lisa Singh: An Australian politician.
Sabrina Singh: An American administrator who served as Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary.
Abha Singh: An Indian activist and advocate for women's rights.
Nikky-Guninder Kaur Singh: A scholar of Sikhism and professor at Colby College.
Nalini Singh: A New Zealand author of paranormal romance novels.
Nikita Singh: An Indian author of young adult novels.
Khush Singh: An Indian-born American make-up artist, producer, and businesswoman.
Gracy Singh: An Indian actress known for her roles in "Lagaan" and "Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.".
Mona Singh: An Indian actress known for her role in "Jassi Jaissi Koi Nahin".
Barkha Singh: An Indian actress who has appeared in films and web series.

Add to that my former junior high and high school classmate and her three sisters.

 

[cooleddie74]

I remember that name! The head of the project to create Khan, if I'm not mistaken?

 

[Pauln6]

Singh is not a woman's last name, though. Kaur is more like it. But hey it's ignorant Trek writers so we let them do it.

Yes - that's what I thought too, although, of course that tradition might change in time. IMO, it was a lazy mistake to give her a direct link to Khan. She could have been a descendent of any one of the augment overlords who Kirk thought were worse than Khan and leave her core story intact, while being a better fit into Space Seed.

 

[trekfan_1]

I've had some time to reflect on this episode. Your mileage may vary — some might find it a charming and fun homage, others may feel it didn’t quite land, and a few have even called it a mean-spirited parody of TOS.

Personally, I don't mind an unoriginal story if I enjoyed the ride. I actually love murder mysteries, even though many (perhaps even all ) of them are formulaic. But in this case, the episode (surprisingly) just didn’t work for me. It didn't grab me or tickle my fancy the same way other simular episodes did.

I'm totally fine if others had fun with it — tastes differ. But there’s one thing I do take issue with, especially if it’s something the showrunners or cast claim: this was NOT a “big swing.” Holodeck malfunction episodes and characters dressing up in period garb have definitely been done before in Star Trek. I’d be genuinely curious to hear from those who liked the episode — do you see this as a big swing or just fun and enjoyable? ( which is totally fine). Because to me, it felt pretty safe and familiar.

 

[Fateor]

The costumes were probably made for the episode. Though they do look more like something from Doctor Who's original run than Star Trek. So does the set.

The "show" costumes had addons, but under those they were just 70s costume jumpers.

A lot of assumptions there.

No, just one.

And that is that they wouldn't want to spend a crap load of money when they didn't have too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The "show" costumes had addons, but under those they were just 70s costume jumpers.

Might be off the rack. Might be bespoke. We might find out for sure someday.

 

[Yistaan]

It occurred to me that if La'an does live to the TOS movie period and hears about Spock's death because of Khan between ST2 and ST3, she's going to have major guilt issues over not killing Khan when she had the chance.

 

[scotthm]

TOS is ripe for fond mockery, as is all Star Trek, but if you showed me this out of context and I didn't know it was from a Star Trek series, I'd recognise Wesley as an over-the-top Shatner parody, but much of the rest I'd probably just assume was taking the piss out of 50s B-movies. "We need our brain cells for science things" doesn't feel like a mockery of TOS dialogue, it feels like a (hackneyed) mockery of something someone might say in a "Them!" type film.

I saw first hand this afternoon how it's received out of context. I told my wife that Paramount + has put the latest episode of the current Star Trek series on YouTube, and let her watch the first couple of minutes. She was thoroughly unimpressed for what passes as Star Trek these days. When I let her in on what was happening, she shrugged and remained unimpressed.
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[StarTrek1701]

Declassified and breaking the law to do it lol

Omega Molecule was declassified too. Big deal.

That’s so funny you say that.

The whole time I was thinking “TOS fans are going to hate this!”



I don’t know if that’s actually true or not, but it was definitely in my mind watching the episode…

Not just TOS fans but general Trek fans that respect continuity just a tiny bit.
"But TOS itself has continuity violation!"
Yes, they do. But that time they were creating a brand new show.
Nearly 60 years later continuity violations like these are an insult to long term fans.

Singh is not a woman's last name, though. Kaur is more like it. But hey it's ignorant Trek writers so we let them do it.

AFAIK even the name 'Khan' is more like a surname than a first name.

 

[fireproof78]

Omega Molecule was declassified too. Big deal.

Law breaking must be fun too.

Nearly 60 years later continuity violations like these are an insult to long term fans.

Seriously? How is one insulted by a piece of entertainment? Been a fan since 1992, reading the Concordance, Encyclopedia, and TOS novels while playing with my Mego figures.

Somehow...don't feel very insulted despite being on the cusp of "long term" as a fan.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Law breaking must be fun too.


Seriously? How is one insulted by a piece of entertainment? Been a fan since 1992, reading the Concordance, Encyclopedia, and TOS novels while playing with my Mego figures.

Somehow...don't feel very insulted despite being on the cusp of "long term" as a fan.

Exactly. I find the expression "long term fan" super annoying. A self-bestowed cachet like we're elder statesmen or old timey lawyers thumbs hooked in our suspenders "I say, I say, your honor sir, the accused stands convicted of a serious violation of continuity and what's more they have insulted us. Therefore they must be punished to the full extent of the law."

As I've stated over and over, been watching since 1966. I'm just happy there's new Trek to watch. I'm grateful that it currently exists (warts and all) in a real world so full of mean-spirited petty awfulness and cruelty.

 

[indranee]

Yes - that's what I thought too, although, of course that tradition might change in time. IMO, it was a lazy mistake to give her a direct link to Khan. She could have been a descendent of any one of the augment overlords who Kirk thought were worse than Khan and leave her core story intact, while being a better fit into Space Seed.

I'm not surprised. This entire exercise starting from the shoehorning of Michael Burnham into Spock's family and then this whole Noonien-Singh thing has pretty much been about fan service. Except if they really knew what real fan service is about, they'd write a better show than trying to come up with idiotic character connections to TOS etc. At this point, as I've said before, I just want an intelligent, enjoyable episode, not even the whole show. Just give us a well-written episode. Nothing much else is expected.

 

[indranee]

Omega Molecule was declassified too. Big deal.

Not just TOS fans but general Trek fans that respect continuity just a tiny bit.
"But TOS itself has continuity violation!"
Yes, they do. But that time they were creating a brand new show.
Nearly 60 years later continuity violations like these are an insult to long term fans.

AFAIK even the name 'Khan' is more like a surname than a first name.

Yes, but I'm not worrying about that bc that error was made back in the 60s. Khan is basically a title.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Law breaking must be fun too.

What?

Seriously? How is one insulted by a piece of entertainment? Been a fan since 1992, reading the Concordance, Encyclopedia, and TOS novels while playing with my Mego figures.

Somehow...don't feel very insulted despite being on the cusp of "long term" as a fan.

You stand for nothing and fall for everything.
We are not the same.

Exactly. I find the expression "long term fan" super annoying. A self-bestowed cachet like we're elder statesmen or old timey lawyers thumbs hooked in our suspenders "I say, I say, your honor sir, the accused stands convicted of a serious violation of continuity and what's more they have insulted us. Therefore they must be punished to the full extent of the law."

As I've stated over and over, been watching since 1966. I'm just happy there's new Trek to watch. I'm grateful that it currently exists (warts and all) in a real world so full of mean-spirited petty awfulness and cruelty.

At first I was happy too but then started to realize these shows are Trek in name only.
Dexter Resurrection is how you draw in new fans and placate the old ones after fucking up badly.
SNW this season is alienating more and more fans than ever before.

 

[indranee]

Khan doesn't seem to be the most traditional Sikh. (If he's actually a Sikh). His name seems to come from the research facility where he was born. He and his decedents may have simply adopted the name. Perhaps all of his cohort use the name.

Google tells men there are women who use "Singh" as a last name,.

Pratima Singh: An Indian basketball player who has represented India.
Shaili Singh: An Indian long jumper who was raised by a single mother.
Lilly Singh: A Canadian YouTuber and entertainer.
Vineeta Singh: An Indian entrepreneur and CEO of Sugar Cosmetics, also a judge on Shark Tank India.
Lakshmi Singh: An American journalist who anchors Midday for NPR Newscasts.
Lisa Singh: An Australian politician.
Sabrina Singh: An American administrator who served as Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary.
Abha Singh: An Indian activist and advocate for women's rights.
Nikky-Guninder Kaur Singh: A scholar of Sikhism and professor at Colby College.
Nalini Singh: A New Zealand author of paranormal romance novels.
Nikita Singh: An Indian author of young adult novels.
Khush Singh: An Indian-born American make-up artist, producer, and businesswoman.
Gracy Singh: An Indian actress known for her roles in "Lagaan" and "Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.".
Mona Singh: An Indian actress known for her role in "Jassi Jaissi Koi Nahin".
Barkha Singh: An Indian actress who has appeared in films and web series.

Google is just google. It doesn't know more about traditional cultural practices than an actual person from that culture does LOL.

Most of those names are not traditionally acquired. I know quite a few of those people, and a lot of them are from diasporic populations, and this is something that's comparatively new and not how it was originally done. Many diasporic Sikh women (or women who have married into a Sikh family) take Singh as their last name. This is not a name handed down. I am not a Sikh woman but I happen to know quite a few IN INDIA including other Hindu friends who married Sikhs, and Singh is not something a family will use in place of Kaur if the woman in question is part of the core family.