You'd be kicked out of starfleet pretty darn fastJust rewatching this. Commander Chin - Riley looks stupid making all the wrong decisions on the bridge, just to set up a situation with Ortegas. The landing party would be dead if not for Ortegas. I would not want to serve under her, she prefers sticking to border rules over the life of her crewmates.![]()
Uh no, they were on their way to the Klingon shuttle, they would of been fine.The landing party would be dead if not for Ortegas.
The needs of the many.I would not want to serve under her, she prefers sticking to border rules over the life of her crewmates.
Ortegas is in no way, shape or form to be seen as the "hero" of this scenario. She deliberately provoked a confrontation with a hostile force and unnecessarily put the lives of every single one of her crewmates at risk over a situation that would had resolved itself had she just obeyed orders.Just rewatching this. Commander Chin - Riley looks stupid making all the wrong decisions on the bridge, just to set up a situation with Ortegas. The landing party would be dead if not for Ortegas. I would not want to serve under her, she prefers sticking to border rules over the life of her crewmates.![]()
Yep. Ortegas was completely out of line. Una's going real easy on her.It's kind of like if Ro had unilaterally decided to separate the saucer in Disaster or sabotaged the engineering console so it would be the only way just because she didn't know the situation was resolving.
Or if Hobson in Redemption decided nah I'm not going to bring the torpedoes back online because of the radiation and the Romulan convoy would have gotten through.
Both instances just like here with Ortegas trusting the chain of command was vital. Admittedly the one with Redemption is a bit less clear cut as Data had to violate his own orders but he was CO of the Sutherland so in the context of one ship it holds.
The point is taking matters into your own hands is dangerous and 2 people are not worth an interstellar war.
Hobson did decide that. Data had to scream at him to make him comply.Or if Hobson in Redemption decided nah I'm not going to bring the torpedoes back online because of the radiation and the Romulan convoy would have gotten through.
I meant if he never relented at all and it ended up too late.Hobson did decide that. Data had to scream at him to make him comply.
Oh yes he should most certainly be brought up for his flat out racism. Believing that certain species can't do certain jobs. Prick.I mean, something should be done about someone anyway who is so insubordinate they make an android not capable of emotion scream.
Hobson didn't pretend to comply though (which is what Ortegas did) - he voiced an objection and Data over-ruled him, told him to do it, and he did.Hobson did decide that. Data had to scream at him to make him comply.
In Ro's defence, Troi waited too long. It was a bad decision that came good due to luck, a bit like NuKirk's plan in Star Trek '09, where the plan was dependent on so many unknown factors such Nero planning to travel at an implausibly slow speed, coming in at one angle, not having shields up (sensible thing would have been to deactivate them just as the drill was activated, since anyone on the planet would have been able to beam troops on board before that).It's kind of like if Ro had unilaterally decided to separate the saucer in Disaster or sabotaged the engineering console so it would be the only way just because she didn't know the situation was resolving.
Or if Hobson in Redemption decided nah I'm not going to bring the torpedoes back online because of the radiation and the Romulan convoy would have gotten through.
Both instances just like here with Ortegas trusting the chain of command was vital. Admittedly the one with Redemption is a bit less clear cut as Data had to violate his own orders but he was CO of the Sutherland so in the context of one ship it holds.
The point is taking matters into your own hands is dangerous and 2 people are not worth an interstellar war.
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