Replace "confirming" with "adding more credence to " and I can meet you half way.
Fair enough.
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x02 - "Wedding Bell Blues"
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Fair enough.
Solely?
You think the producers just picked Delancey out of a bunch of audition tapes?
Obviously it's leaning in to the connection between Q and Trelane, but it doesn't have to be "confirmation" - James Doohan voiced HOW many characters in TAS? Vaughn Armstrong is HOW many characters across Trek?
They were leaning in to the connection, but also not outright confirming it directly - considering how many non-corporeal entities there are, you could easily say that the flourish of Trelane's snaps and the energy being speaking with de Lancie's voice are affectations that these non-corporeal aliens took on BECAUSE they've had encounters with Q and are mimicking them.
Yeah, Trelane's a Q, but his father isn't necessarily THE Q. Given the fact every member of the Continuum with the exceptions of Trelane and Quinn go by "Q" as an identifier and even formal name, why can't another Q also have John De Lancie's voice?
This was something I was actively watching out for. They really drew attention to Ortegas's hand last episode, only for it to just be repaired without much fuss. What is the most severe limb injury we've seen get completely fixed? Nog lost a leg and Martok an eye over 100 years later, but they just had to live with those.
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Nog got a replacement leg, there was an entire episode devoted to him adjusting to it. Martok "just living with" losing an eye has more to do with Klingon mentality, the lost eye is a battle scar he's proud to display.
It was confirmed in an interview he’s intended to be the Q we know.
So....he's a Q. The father's voice gives it away even if the episode itself was very coy about who Trelane was. It's clear this is Trelane from after his encounter with the Enterprise crew in TOS and that's why he tells Spock he's always amused by his behavior. Older Trelane is still a petulant troublemaker and the rest like him (*ahem*) clearly don't impose enough parental discipline on this guy. This now makes twice he's interfered with the same Federation starship, chastised and had to be called back inside by his family.
He's a Q. The writers have confirmed it. Not sure how I feel about it. I liked that the debate always was out there. It was one of the more fun debates. I think revisiting old characters from TOS and TNG is starting to get a little too much. I really wanted this show to be its own thing but more than half the TOS crew is on the show now and we are meeting their old enemies. What next a cameo appearance if the doomsday machine? Balok?
Dang, I hoped I would like this one more, but the humor didn’t land for me at all. What a confusing groan-fest. The inclusion of Trelane felt super random and I have no idea what the purpose of this whole thing was. I guess it doesn’t help that I never was the biggest Trelane fan to begin with. I wonder how confused more casual Strange New Worlds viewers are about his inclusion. “Who is this guy? Why does he talk like that? Why does he dress like that? Why is he concerned with how Spock feels about Christine?”
I’m not sure if anyone has noted this so far, but the way Trelane’s capabilities are portrayed here doesn’t really mesh with what he’s able to do in “The Squire of Gothos”. I get they are saying he’s really a Q now, but in the original he absolutely was not able to manipulate / control people’s minds like that. The entire original episode would play differently if he were able to do that.
But, you know what, none of this would really bother me, if the episode was genuinely funny, clever or had something worthwhile to tell. What is the story here? Christine returns after three months and despite her specifically saying they weren’t a couple anymore, Spock somehow expects them to be. I know the story is that he’s not fully formed as his logical self, but come one, this felt even too stupid for him at this point in his life.
I liked the Korby character well enough, though, and I really like the casting. It’s cool that intellectually he seems to be Spock’s equal, even though he obviously has a more mature grasp of his emotions (which probably explains why Chapel fell in love with him). Will be interesting to see what they do with the character going forward.
What was a bit weird was the way they introduced M’Benga’s new nurse, only to then do exactly nothing with him. Same with Erica’s brother. He gets introduced and then the whole episode is kind of overshadowed by Trelane’s whole spiel.
The idea that Erica seems to face some PTSD from her experiences with the Gorn is interesting, even if not terribly original and certainly a bit played out in modern Trek, if were to be honest. What’s interesting about it is that it implies we haven’t exactly seen the absolute last of them.
I’m not sure if anyone has noted this so far, but the way Trelane’s capabilities are portrayed here doesn’t really mesh with what he’s able to do in “The Squire of Gothos”. I get they are saying he’s really a Q now, but in the original he absolutely was not able to manipulate / control people’s minds like that. The entire original episode would play differently if he were able to do that.
But, you know what, none of this would really bother me, if the episode was genuinely funny, clever or had something worthwhile to tell. What is the story here? Christine returns after three months and despite her specifically saying they weren’t a couple anymore, Spock somehow expects them to be. I know the story is that he’s not fully formed as his logical self, but come one, this felt even too stupid for him at this point in his life.
I liked the Korby character well enough, though, and I really like the casting. It’s cool that intellectually he seems to be Spock’s equal, even though he obviously has a more mature grasp of his emotions (which probably explains why Chapel fell in love with him). Will be interesting to see what they do with the character going forward.
What was a bit weird was the way they introduced M’Benga’s new nurse, only to then do exactly nothing with him. Same with Erica’s brother. He gets introduced and then the whole episode is kind of overshadowed by Trelane’s whole spiel.
The idea that Erica seems to face some PTSD from her experiences with the Gorn is interesting, even if not terribly original and certainly a bit played out in modern Trek, if were to be honest. What’s interesting about it is that it implies we haven’t exactly seen the absolute last of them.
Standard medical treatment.Spock didn't have hair on his chest in season one, but now he does. I wonder how he justifies the logic of shaving his chest for a while.
He's morphing into the nimoy Spock. Chest hair and losing Chapel were the first steps. Next will be the further purging of all the emotion he's been showing to go with the chest hair. LolSpock didn't have hair on his chest in season one, but now he does. I wonder how he justifies the logic of shaving his chest for a while.
So at least 20% of this season will be outright comedy episodes..... 
I don't know why. Roddenberry said way back when, when questioned about Q-Trelane, that it is a possibility
He got a replacement leg, but I always assumed it was a prosthetic, not that they regrew his biological one. The eye detail is fair though, although as we see when Geordi gets one, it's a mechanical device, not repairing his biological eyes
Meh. She's in Starfleet. You become an admiral and you'll be evil too.
Considering the guy I was referring to literally became the number 2 man in the galaxy I was talking about a potential moral downfall, not a career one.
You don't think becoming a badamiral is not a moral downfall?
Sorry, maybe just a regular evil Starfleet officer gone rogue, like Eddington?
If only Trelane had offered to play a harpischord during the wedding.
I think an evil admiral is a moral downfall and it's possible Ortegas is indeed responsible for any shady TOS episodes. Or maybe she's in on the Khitomer conspiracy as an old lady, we can't blame it all on Cartwright can we?You don't think becoming a badamiral is not a moral downfall?
Sorry, maybe just a regular evil Starfleet officer gone rogue, like Eddington?
I've been trying to make sense of Trelane/Q Jr's timey wimey timeline. TOS established that Trelane had an outdated view of Earth by viewing it from hundreds of light years away. Considering this isn't mentioned in SNW, I think TOS is first in Trelane's timeline. Next, he does his SNW appearance and his dad Q has to intervene again. Finally, Q gets fed up with Trelane/Q Jr and dumps him on Janeway, as we see in Voyager.
So Trelane's timeline is something like
TOS -- SNW -- VOY
If you count computer games in your headcanon then Trelane's appearance in the game Judgment Rites is between TOS and SNW or SNW and VOY.
