Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x02 - "Wedding Bell Blues"

[SG-17]

So the planet that Korby and Chapel were on was the Q Homeworld back when they were corporeal.

 

[trekfan_1]

I don't often compare modern Trek to TOS but I can't help compare this episode to "The Squire of Gothos". An episode ( and series) I know well. By that measure, this wasn't as good as that episode. "Squire" while definitely whimsical had some real tension to it. Including the gunfight with Trelane , the courtroom scene and the hunt. This episode tonight had the exact same ending as "Squire " with not nearly as much tension. Also nothing new about this specific character/Trelane other than offscreen confirmation from the showrunners that they are/or related to Q. Would of been nice if they went a bit deeper.

It did work to move along the characters though and their respective arcs - namely Spock, Chapel , Pike and Ortagas.

Did not dislike the episode but not one that is very high on my list either.

 

[trekfan_1]

So the planet that Korby and Chapel were on was the Q Homeworld back when they were corporeal.

Hmmm maybe. But wasnt said the Q never "came into existence, they have always existed "

 

[Fateor]

Trelane appears to derive a significant amount of his power in TOS from whatever that machine was, which has always made me not buy the explanation of him being a Q. Also he appears to not know much about humans and still thinks it's the 1700's, which doesn't work if he's met humans before. Also why doesn't Spock recognize him in Squire of Gothos?

Spock never saw what he looked like.

 

[indranee]

A 3 from me. Sorry, just didn't ring my bell, I guess. I understand what they're trying to do with Spock/Christine (and now Roger), but it's still confusing. And I don't want to spoil the "wedding planner"... Anyway, the best part of this episode was right at the end, so I'm all agog.

 

[trekfan_1]

Trelane appears to derive a significant amount of his power in TOS from whatever that machine was, which has always made me not buy the explanation of him being a Q. Also he appears to not know much about humans and still thinks it's the 1700's, which doesn't work if he's met humans before.

I agree. I think this is an example of the showrunners wanting to shoehorn something into canon because of long standing fan speculation and them wanting to be the ones to make it a reality . That intention overides actual examination if you closely watch that episode of TOS and how it contrasts from the potrayal of Q in TNG and later. I don't quite buy it either but I have seen way more sloppier retcons than this so I'm ok with it.

In the Paul Wesley version of 'Squire of Gothos"...if we saw a "Physco" -ish style remake of the same event , Trelane probably doesn't even have a machine or it serves a different purpose. And Trelane decided to use old Earth costumes just for playful "fun". Similar to Q.

It's clear to me this version of Trek
may technically be the "Prime Universe " but with some alterations/ glitches in the matrix thrown in . Or it atleast that's how it's coming across to me.

End of the day, ( IMO) if you create a great story, that trumps meddling with canon in a small to moderate way. So far, they have not done anything drastic. Like killing off Chapel, blowing up the Enterprise etc.

 

[firehawk12]

I was hoping for more of a "Family" type episode dealing with the aftermath... and there's a bit of that with Ortega having a Nog moment, but of course most of the episode was just a silly romp.

Which is fine I guess, but I also don't like the episodes that try to tie into existing lore... especially if they do the equivalent of explaining Klingon foreheads and make it clear that Trelane is a Q.
Fans were serviced, but I'm just not that type of fan I guess.

It's fine, but I'm hoping it really gets going next week.

 

[trekfan_1]

I was hoping for more of a "Family" type episode dealing with the aftermath... and there's a bit of that with Ortega having a Nog moment, but of course most of the episode was just a silly romp.

Which is fine I guess, but I also don't like the episodes that try to tie into existing lore... especially if they do the equivalent of explaining Klingon foreheads and make it clear that Trelane is a Q.
Fans were serviced, but I'm just not that type of fan I guess.

It's fine, but I'm hoping it really gets going next week.

Fan service for me is a case to case thing. For example I strongly disagree that Season 3 of Picard was one big fan service exercise. Because it makes sense within the narrative itself that Picard would rely on his old friends for help or chew the fat , reminiscing on old times. (Heck we do that in real life when we get older). And there was enough independent story around that backdrop in my opinion.

I also do not mind the little inconsequential Easter eggs that does not take away from the core plot. Your a fan, you notice it. Your not a fan of older Treks, it's background minutiae . No big deal.

What we saw in this episode, I just wanted to see more meat on the bone . I agree something along the lines of " Family " would of been better. Because it wasn't as good as it could be, Im a little more nit picky in its attempt at canon connections and/or fan service.

 

[Kraig]

It looks like Ortegas has joined Singh in being affected by Gorn PTSD.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Surprising cameo, there. Should please canonistas who like to connect dots.

If anything it muddies the water even more.

canon*

Also

INTERVIEW — Henry Alonso Myers and Akiva Goldsman on STRANGE NEW WORLDS' New Set, That "Wedding Bell Blues" Character, and More!

We chat with STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS showrunners Henry Alonso Myers and Akiva Goldsman about that "Wedding Bell Blues" character, the show's new science lab, and more!

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The show runners have outright said it's Q and Trelane. Directly referencing the TNG Q-Squared that connected them.

Jesus Christ.
And another Spock's wedding episode.
No wonder they got canceled years in advance, they're running out of ideas already.

A 3 from me. Sorry, just didn't ring my bell, I guess. I understand what they're trying to do with Spock/Christine (and now Roger), but it's still confusing. And I don't want to spoil the "wedding planner"... Anyway, the best part of this episode was right at the end, so I'm all agog.

3 from me too. Just cuz of DeLancie.
Trelane isn't all that powerful, if he was then he'd know in The Squire of Gothos that Earth has advanced to the warp drive point.
2nd episode in the third season and they waste it like that. Makes me wonder how bad it'll get in the upcoming episodes.

 

[Charles Phipps]

So the planet that Korby and Chapel were on was the Q Homeworld back when they were corporeal.

Could also be where Q and Q had Q Junior.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Overall I found it extremely dissapointing and a rewill give them props for doing te very TOS thing of NOT showing 'Son of Q' in Vulcan or Andorian make up - even though from the episode dialogue it's clear that Spock sees him as a Vulcan Bartender at one point and then later Spock, Pike and the others see him as a Andorian wedding planner.

Watch the upside down reflection in the bar counter.

And the reflection in the PADD.

The four-armed Bartender

Or were there only three arms and one was seemingly able to spin around to the back? I haven’t rewatched that bit yet, but was it not supposed to be a TAS orange-skinned Edosian?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Is she though? Her third arm seemed to be on her back, Arex had his on the front of his torso just like all the other Edosians we've seen depicted on screen.

It seems like the third arm spins around to appear at the back. Humans are left or right handed. Maybe some Edosian have the third arm in the back.

 

[Therin of Andor]

See, most of these didn’t seem questions. Korby’s not an android yet, that comes during the time Christine’s not with him, later. Yes, that was Trelane and Q; we were nicely hammered in the face with it. Trelane’s there because he’s a mischievous kid who feels like playing with lessers, just like later. (Why does he just happen to be here? …Yeah, okay, small universe syndrome. Eh. But maybe this is how the Q first notice humanity in the first place, which makes this a really important event). The technology question’s reasonable, but either that was just an amplifier, or he’s got one stored away somewhere nearby (which implies all Q actually do that — eh). I’m going to go with child-Q “training wheels”, not always or usually necessary.

EDIT: Interesting implication from Trelane’s dialogue — the planet Korby’s digging around on is the Q’s old homeworld, from before they “ascended” or whatever. Is this the same planet as in “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” Making the primordial ancestors of the Q the Old Ones who built Ruk, etc.?

References such as “Star Trek Maps” suggest that “The Old Ones” were the Krell, of “Forbidden Planet”.

 

[Therin of Andor]

canon is intact, this occurs after Squire of Gothos in Trelane's timeline.

And apparently long after Q2 in Voyager, if Trelane is indeed Q junior.

Also , they never mention Trelane or Q. Spock saw him as a Vulcan. So he wouldnt recognise Trelane in Gothos

And Koloth sees Trelane as…


EDIT: Ooops, sorry for the multiple posts. I was reading through the first pages and assuming that I was interspersing in a rapidly growing thread.

 

[Markonian]

Trelane is QJ. Wow! That's gonna necessitate massive rewrites on Memories Alpha and Beta.
Is there a thread yet for SNW season 3 ships yet? There's a lot in the intro and I saw a compact four-naceller at SB1.
10/10

 

[cooleddie74]

Trelane in TOS doesn't know much about humans yet. This is him older, and Q-snapping his way back in time to when Pike was still Captain of the Enterprise. There are no contradicitons with "The Squire of Gothos." This appearance by a more matured Trelane happens at some point after Kirk defeats him in the TOS episode and he's learned some lessons from that story (or most likely very few judging from his behavior in SNW).

 

[cooleddie74]

On my second re-watch, I noticed you can see Trelane looking through Spock's window at one point, when Chapel leaves his quarters shortly after the beams on the ship

"There his is, MY POINTY-EARED TROUBLEMAKING SCAMP. I have some fiendish plans in store for you, my old friend!"

 

[Mudd]

I know Trek fans are impressionable and love their fan theories ( guilty of it myself to a degree) but I am surprised how many are just assuming this Character was a Q. Like it's official canon. Unless I'm missing something? Is it solely because DeLancie played the voice of the Father.?..

Solely?

You think the producers just picked Delancey out of a bunch of audition tapes?

 

[cooleddie74]

Or were there only three arms and one was seemingly able to spin around to the back? I haven’t rewatched that bit yet, but was it not supposed to be a TAS orange-skinned Edosian?

It was an Edosian. The very first one we've seen in live action!