Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"

[Candleicious Ghost]

7/10 a great episode. That's all

Just kidding it was terrific but did leave me with random questions like what ifs?

For example:

Just for the sake of discussion what would happen if Pike had died during the Gorn episodes?

Wouldn't that have messed up his predicted fate? I mean just for the sake of discussion and all.

 

[Nerys Myk]

7/10 a great episode. That's all

Just kidding it was terrific but did leave me with random questions like what ifs?

For example:

Just for the sake of discussion what would happen if Pike had died during the Gorn episodes?

Wouldn't that have messed up his predicted fate? I mean just for the sake of discussion and all.

Bad things, as seen in "A Quality of Mercy"

 

[Mudd]

Bad things, as seen in "A Quality of Mercy"

What I like about that episode is that it recontextualizes Kirk's assignment to Enterprise as likely the result, in part, of Pike sponsoring him for the job.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Just for the sake of discussion what would happen if Pike had died during the Gorn episodes?

Wouldn't that have messed up his predicted fate? I mean just for the sake of discussion and all.

I think Pike would have to make a conscious effort to make it impossible for the vision he saw to occur, otherwise he's just living out the events that inevitably lead to it. Nothing is going to kill him, because nothing did kill him.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

I think Pike would have to make a conscious effort to make it impossible for the vision he saw to occur, otherwise he's just living out the events that inevitably lead to it. Nothing is going to kill him, because nothing did kill him.

So till that time there's zero danger for him. That's lazy

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

So till that time there's zero danger for him. That's lazy

He's still in danger of being injured, failing his mission, losing people he cares about etc. Though not Spock, he knows he's also fated to survive!

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

He's still in danger of being injured, failing his mission, losing people he cares about etc. Though not Spock, he knows he's also fated to survive!

Plat armor, it's still lazy

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Well, it's a prequel! Comes with the territory.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Plat armor, it's still lazy

It's not really plot armour when it's canon. Nothing can happen to Pike, Spock, Uhura, M'Benga, Chapel, Scotty or either of the brothers Kirk because we know their futures. We know the destination, this is the journey. Una, La'an, Erica and Pelia of course are fair game but we've seen them all in the season 5 promos.

 

[Starflight]

Pike being invincible due to "fate" in-universe is the part that puts people off, I think, especially since he knows it himself.

There's probably some hilarious shit you could do with it though, Pike just going solo on every away mission because he literally cannot be destroyed. Pike physically wrapping himself around any person in danger.

It's probably been mentioned but I really like the part in "Memento Mori" where the crew assert that the Enterprise won't survive a journey so close to the black hole and Pike confidently says "she'll hold". Not sure if the writers intended it as him leaning on his magic-fate-induced-invincibility or not but it's a cool beat if so.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Pike being invincible due to "fate" in-universe is the part that puts people off, I think, especially since he knows it himself.

Well, he also knows that he can change that future if he chooses to. He could put a phaser to his head and pull the trigger, the universe won't conspire to stop him. But if he just carries on doing normal Pike things, he's going to end up in the beep chair. Because the Pike we saw in the chair knew his fate and made those choices.

 

[Mudd]

So till that time there's zero danger for him. That's lazy

"Lazy" is the least observant sort of critique of a creative professional.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

"Lazy" is the least observant sort of critique of a creative professional.

Sigh. I know but this adherence to the timeline is kind of frustrating. Why can't modern Trek dabble and change the crusty 60s timeline?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sigh. I know but this adherence to the timeline is kind of frustrating. Why can't modern Trek dabble and change the crusty 60s timeline?

Why is it "frustrating?" If it makes them be more creative, then what's the problem?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Sigh. I know but this adherence to the timeline is kind of frustrating. Why can't modern Trek dabble and change the crusty 60s timeline?

They only brought Pike back because of that 60s timeline. They could've gotten the same cast on the same sets and told almost exactly the same stories, except with different names. Captain Joseph Pace on the Constitution-class USS Endeavor with half-Vulcan science officer Tevek, communications officer Mwimbaji, plus La'an, Pelia, Ortegas and Mitchell.

But they wanted to tell the story of what the Enterprise and her crew were up to before TOS, so if they change the timeline they break the premise.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

They only brought Pike back because of that 60s timeline. They could've gotten the same cast on the same sets and told almost exactly the same stories, except with different names. Captain Joseph Pace on the Constitution-class USS Endeavor with half-Vulcan science officer Tevek, communications officer Mwimbaji, plus La'an, Pelia, Ortegas and Mitchell.

But they wanted to tell the story of what the Enterprise and her crew were up to before TOS, so if they change the timeline they break the premise.

OK fair enough.....

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Sigh. I know but this adherence to the timeline is kind of frustrating. Why can't modern Trek dabble and change the crusty 60s timeline?

That was largely the point of the Kelvin universe. You kind of have to adhere to a timeline when you're telling a prequel story to fill out a gap in a universe and add some context to pre-existing material.

I have a feeling you will get your wish and there will be a reboot next decade.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

That was largely the point of the Kelvin universe. You kind of have to adhere to a timeline when you're telling a prequel story to fill out a gap in a universe and add some context to pre-existing material.

I have a feeling you will get your wish and there will be a reboot next decade.

It's not so much a reboot I would want but the way they are writing Pike. He's good and all but they are writing him in a way I find frustrating

 

[cooleddie74]

I prefer Season 1 and 2 Pike, but Season 3 Anson Mount seems fine enough to me. This is Pike post-Talos IV but before the training vessel accident. He can be....a little weird and feel janky because he's going to end up in a different place anyways.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

I prefer Season 1 and 2 Pike, but Season 3 Anson Mount seems fine enough to me. This is Pike post-Talos IV but before the training vessel accident. He can be....a little weird and feel janky because he's going to end up in a different place anyways.

I know but they keep putting him in danger over and over and over knowing he can't be hurt. From a viewing POV it feels dull and frustrating. He can withstand anything, probably even Gorn eggs because "it's not his time yet"