Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

[Tosk]

Pretty sure Tuvix agrees with KRAD, not insulting them. Just Based on their past opinions on New Trek.

Fair enough, makes sense. I guess I saw irony where none was intended. I retract my statement!

Just goes to show how posting someone else's material with little new context leads to (my) confusion.

 

[Mage]

You could argue their points instead of just implying an insult. They do post here.

I was trying to figure out if he/she/they was agreeing with and just quoting someone instead of forming his own words or hating it....

Fair enough, makes sense. I guess I saw irony where none was intended. I retract my statement!

Just goes to show how posting someone else's material with little new context leads to (my) confusion.

ETA: I think we're both unsure as to what @Mirror Tuvix is doing here.....

 

[fireproof78]

It could have been any character, but there is a plausible case that it could be Scotty

Then use another character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Then use another character.

Welshy?

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[cooleddie74]

I'm fine with Scotty because this younger version was funny and effective in his limited role in the episode. Would I have introduced him at this point? No.

But we got what we got and I smiled. A lot.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wouldn't even be suspecting this if it weren't for the fact that Batel isn't around when Pike has his accident.

We see Pike for a hand full of minutes on Starbase 11. We've no idea who has and hasn't seen him since the accident. We also don't know if Batel is the "love of his life". She's the woman he's involved with for seasons one and two. Both may very well move on to other relationships later in life.

 

[HotRod]

I love the new Scotty. He's hard to understand though.

Maybe it's an "American thing." I've seen a few people saying that, and they all seem to be American. I've seen it with other shows too, where Americans have trouble with UK accents. Whereas Canadians don't seem to have any trouble at all. Just an interesting observation.

 

[Mage]

Maybe it's an "American thing." I've seen a few people saying that, and they all seem to be American. I've seen it with other shows too, where Americans have trouble with UK accents. Whereas Canadians don't seem to have any trouble at all. Just an interesting observation.

Dutch guy here. No problem understand a word he was saying. My English is better than my Dutch though.

 

[DaveyNY]

Scotty's 'accent' is nothing compared to trying to understand my Irish uncles when they were around.

Janie!

 

[cooleddie74]

I understood everything he said. But then I've imitated accents and done voices since I was a little kid and still do both.

 

[Tallguy]

Of all of the characters from Kirk's crew I always assumed Scotty was there before Kirk. It's his ship. Kirk is borrowing it.

 

[Mudd]

I've no problem understanding Lieutenant, Junior Grade Montgomery Scott. I was delighted when I realized that his accent seemed to be authentic and unlike Doohan's.

 

[cooleddie74]

Or Pegg's. Simon may be English and that's one map line away from Scotland but, yeah, you can tell Simon's faking it.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe it's an "American thing." I've seen a few people saying that, and they all seem to be American. I've seen it with other shows too, where Americans have trouble with UK accents. Whereas Canadians don't seem to have any trouble at all. Just an interesting observation.

American here. Understand him fine.

 

[Dee1891]

My sister told me about this. I wonder. How many TOS characters does the franchise plan to reintroduce in "Strange New Worlds"? I mean, it's a bit much having Spock, Uhura and especially Kirk in this series at this point in the franchise. Especially Uhura and Kirk. The Trek franchise might as well drop the pretense that it's actually interested in Pike's tenure as the Enterprise's captain and just do a re-boot of "The Original Series", with Kirk in command?

 

[HotRod]

American here. Understand him fine.

Oh, I'm sure most Americans can understand him just fine. It just seems that those who do have trouble with accents happen to be American. It's not just in relation to Mr. Scott, but accents in general.

 

[fireproof78]

The Trek franchise might as well drop the pretense that it's actually interested in Pike's tenure as the Enterprise's captain and just do a re-boot of "The Original Series", with Kirk in command?

Yes, that feels like the trajectory.

 

[Mudd]

My sister told me about this. I wonder. How many TOS characters does the franchise plan to reintroduce in "Strange New Worlds"? I mean, it's a bit much having Spock, Uhura and especially Kirk in this series at this point in the franchise. Especially Uhura and Kirk. The Trek franchise might as well drop the pretense that it's actually interested in Pike's tenure as the Enterprise's captain and just do a re-boot of "The Original Series", with Kirk in command?

Nope.

 

[Jedi Marso]

There is a subset of the fanbase with a bizarre fixation/belief that any references to the past are bad because it demonstrates a lack of innovation or creativity and it's "relying on nostalgia," which is automatically bad because.....well, they dont' feel it or care about so one else should.

My gripe with it is totally different, and the finale was a classic example on display: When half your crew are characters with plot armor because they appear in a 'later' show, it removes all tension and drama. Case in point which has already been mentioned numerous times: Chapel being alive aboard the saucer. Was there ever any doubt she had somehow survived? Of course not. She's immortal as far as this show is concerned- better off than Duncan MacLeod on Highlander.

There were only three characters that had to be here: Spock, Pike, and Una. Even Una is arguable, because she's a blank slate after The Cage / The Menagerie, never seen or heard from again. They could have killed her off one episode in, had they wanted to. But as things stand, here's what we've got:

Pike: Immortal. Plot Armor.
Spock: Immortal. Plot Armor.
Uhura: Immortal. Plot Armor.
Chapel: Immortal. Plot Armor.
M'Benga: Immortal. Plot Armor.
Scotty: Immortal. Plot Armor.
Kirk: Immortal. Plot Armor.

It's not about references to the past being bad. It's about a terrible case of incestuous 'small universe' syndrome that serves to hamstring storylines, writers, and the ability to generate some genuine suspense. That's my issue with it.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Melissa Navia may not get as much to do as the others, but she really makes the most out of every scene.

I feel the same way. She may not have gotten a show dedicated solely to her character arc, but she's the 'rover' who shows up in everyone else's, every episode, and knocks her little piece of it out of the park. Now that they've toned down her 'bridge snark' a little bit, the character is really growing on me. She's shown more personality in two short seasons than Sulu did for the entire franchise. I totally see her as someone who is definitely on track to commanding her own ship someday.