Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

[Mudd]

Here's another great thing about this episode, while Ortegas is at top of mind: as a season-closer, the script uses everyone in the cast really well, including recurring characters like Batel and Sam Kirk. And in the middle of all that, the show manages an adroit and satisfying introduction of a new likely-recurring Scottish ensign, j.g...

 

[firehawk12]

Star Trek "The Cage', was filmed in 1964 with Captain Christopher Pike, and Number One as the main characters. This version of Star Trek wasn't picked up and green lit until the year 2020.
^^^
That's a 56 year wait from Pilot to Series pickup...Just saying...

So The Menagerie doesn't count? lol

Maybe because some people like simplicity. I enjoy commuting, I enjoy working on my house myself, I find a pleasure in the work of my hands, far more than even some of the past retail work I have done. I don't automatically go and seek out the latest and greatest tech, and clothes are simply something I wear.

To me there is a simplicity of it and I like it.

It's completely hypothetical, but if you had a flying car, let alone a magic beam that can take you anywhere in the world (and into orbit), would you still want to drive a wheeled vehicle? Like I get it if you're a Pulaski-type who thinks that stuff is wrong, but then it is ideological in some small part.

The beauty of it is you don't have to include the racism, sexism, transphobia etc.

I think it was the wrong message for Sisko to give into peer pressure with the Vic Fontaine stuff, but I think it's weird to take the aesthetics of a certain time period or culture without the context. Even today people think it's strange, so I would hope that a more enlightened humanity 200 years from now would have more evolved thoughts on it.

 

[fireproof78]

It's completely hypothetical, but if you had a flying car, let alone a magic beam that can take you anywhere in the world (and into orbit), would you still want to drive a wheeled vehicle?

Yes.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's completely hypothetical, but if you had a flying car, let alone a magic beam that can take you anywhere in the world (and into orbit), would you still want to drive a wheeled vehicle? Like I get it if you're a Pulaski-type who thinks that stuff is wrong, but then it is ideological in some small part.

People still ride horses and use bikes.

 

[bookworm8571]

This was suspenseful and an entertaining use of the typical monster movie sci fi tropes — Jurassic Park, Aliens, etc. I vastly prefer this take on the Gorn to the comical lizard man of the original series. If the strike ever ends, my guess is the follow up episode would include some sort of insight into Gorn society. We know at least M’Benga will survive and I would assume Ortegas and La’an Noonien-Singh should as well since they are protagonists. Maybe M’Benga ends up treating a Gorn.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Yeah, if this is just "Cottage core" but with every aspect of life instead of just clothing, fine... you're choosing to live a less than optimal life by having streets and wheeled vehicles to get people around because you want to appropriate the signifiers of the period.

I just wonder what kind of people would want that life when it's seen as pretty bad to some people living now. Like even if you ignore the racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. of the time period and think about the mechanics of having to drive everywhere. Every time I commute I feel a little piece of me die inside, so to actively choose it because it's quaint is a choice. lol

Well, theoretically the colonists aren't racist, sexist, transphobic, etc, so what they are recreating is an idealized version of a past world- basically their vision of all the good stuff from that era without the actual baggage of it. It's kind of charming, when you think about it- living in a past era with none of the bad things about it manifesting themselves.

 

[Mudd]

So The Menagerie doesn't count? lol
It's completely hypothetical, but if you had a flying car, let alone a magic beam that can take you anywhere in the world (and into orbit), would you still want to drive a wheeled vehicle?

Why not? People like to ride horses.

BTW, we don't actually know what the fuck McCoy was doing for decades before TOS, only that he considers himself to be "from Georgia." It would kind of fit, for his family to have chosen to live on some MayberryWorld for much of his life; it would justify a lot of his cultural anachronisms.

Such as: McCoy's distaste for the transporter, a device that we've seen to be ubiquitous throughout 23rd century human civilization.

 

[firehawk12]

Why not. People like to ride horses.

People still ride horses and use bikes.

I mean, Pike rides them as a hobby. I don't know if he road a horse from his cottage to the space dock to get to the Enterprise in the first episode or if he did the normal thing and hop on April's shuttlecraft. But maybe he really likes his horses.

Well, theoretically the colonists aren't racist, sexist, transphobic, etc, so what they are recreating is an idealized version of a past world- basically their vision of all the good stuff from that era without the actual baggage of it. It's kind of charming, when you think about it- living in a past era with none of the bad things about it manifesting themselves.

Something like Bridgerton created some discourse because the creators just assumed a Regency Period England where racism didn't exist/slavery was ended immediately and the King married a Black woman. I haven't watched the show so I've only read/seen what people thought about that representation, but I know that some people thought it was an oversimplification of race issues.

But I suppose in the way that some people can watch Bridgerton and not think it's problematic, you can probably find 5000 people who would be fine with ignoring any social issues in midwestern America in order to live the aesthetic.

 

[UssGlenn]

but I think it's weird to take the aesthetics of a certain time period or culture without the context.

There's a saying among the retro fashion crowd: "vintage style not vintage values". I'm not going to avoid aesthetic choices I enjoy just because they coexisted in history with distasteful beliefs. Where would you even draw the line? Is 2020's fashion bad because it coexisted with Trump? Segregation didn't cause the invention of the Poodle skirt, and living in an American Foursquare house doesn't suddenly make you racist, so it's silly to associate them.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I could work at Starbase 11 all week and then go to Mayberry Colony for the weekend.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I guess I read that as her asking kind of rhetorically. Asking what is because she WAS aware of it and saw the value in it while everyone else seemed to disregard it.

Yeah, the way she she prefaced pointing it out in the first place. I felt like she was perfectly aware of what it was but maybe not so certain about suggesting the use of it.

 

[Mudd]

I mean, Pike rides them as a hobby. I don't know if he road a horse from his cottage to the space dock to get to the Enterprise in the first episode or if he did the normal thing and hop on April's shuttlecraft. But maybe he really likes his horses.

Who knows? But if I live on a planet where everyone lives a couple of miles away I'll bike or walk or drive a car. I'm not fucking getting into transporter beam.

 

[Tallguy]

Yeah, the way she she prefaced pointing it out in the first place. I felt like she was perfectly aware of what it was but maybe not so certain about suggesting the use of it.

You watch it a second time and she's asking a question she already knows the answer to.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

So The Menagerie doesn't count? lol


It's completely hypothetical, but if you had a flying car, let alone a magic beam that can take you anywhere in the world (and into orbit), would you still want to drive a wheeled vehicle?

Well, since mostly I want a transporter so I can go for coffee with friends on the other side of the planet, maybe?

 

[Mudd]

I, frankly, am delighted whenever it's apparent that the Star Trek universe contains people who will go interstellar distances to not have to participate in the Utopia of Smug Little Men.

 

[firehawk12]

There's a saying among the retro fashion crowd: "vintage style not vintage values". I'm not going to avoid aesthetic choices I enjoy just because they coexisted in history with distasteful beliefs. Where would you even draw the line? Is 2020's fashion bad because it coexisted with Trump? Segregation didn't cause the invention of the Poodle skirt, and living in an American Foursquare house doesn't suddenly make you racist, so it's silly to associate them.

Oh yes, I haven't followed Vintage Youtube in a while but I do remember that argument and personally I think you can't divorce the aesthetic from the context (otherwise no one would have an issue with the Confederate flag), but I get that some people can.

Well, since mostly I want a transporter so I can go for coffee with friends on the other side of the planet, maybe?

If I had a transporter and power was free and clean like it is in Star Trek, I'd use it every day for any distance. Forgot my tricorder in my bed room while I'm in my living room? Beam that over to me STAT. lol

 

[fireproof78]

I don't see the issue. People can like more than one thing. My daughter loves the Craftsman style and cottage look of homes. My wife loves the rustic look. We all use tech, we all drive, we all ride bikes, and probably will have horses some day.

 

[mattman8907]

its crazy how much Nero's incursion changed people's background. I mean in the prime reality, Scotty is this lowly junior officer, yet at the same time in the Kelvinverse he's a lieutenant commander and Chief engineer of the Enterprise.

 

[Noname Given]

One nitpick:

In the past few episodes, they've made a point of talking about subspace relays and how long it takes to send messages back and forth to the more central areas of Federation space.

Yet here, once again, communications move at the speed of plot. On the very forward edge of Federation space, Pike and April have a conversation in real time, Starfleet communicates the demarcation line to them in near real-time, and at the end with TSHTF, April is apparently monitoring their situation in real time (presumably from Earth) and orders them to retreat.

So. I call.....

shenanigans!

Hey, just one episode earlier, they got that 'Subspace Rhapsody' anomaly figured out; and can send FASTER subspace messages now.

 

[firehawk12]

I don't see the issue. People can like more than one thing. My daughter loves the Craftsman style and cottage look of homes. My wife loves the rustic look. We all use tech, we all drive, we all ride bikes, and probably will have horses some day.

I guess I never made it clear, but I'm a strong proponent of Strong Towns and leftist urbanism and think that is the future of sustainable urban design, so to purposefully replicate something that goes against that movement does feel ideological to me. So I definitely have my biases. lol