In Prof. Roddenberry's class, you either think or sink.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x08 - "Under the Cloak of War"
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There's still the swimsuit competition.
You're all doomed once I put on my two-piece.
More than you know.
More than you know.
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Amaris
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I'll be wearing the first ever 47 piece.
Socks are not a "two-piece".
Could even be viewed as “sheer fucking hubris” in some quarters.<cough>
Shit happens.
Arrogance. Chutzpah. Pure, unmitigated gall.
Any sane person would have assassinated her at the first opportunity. It was government by terrorism, installed by a foreign power.
The episode was directed in a way, whether intentional or not, to show that M'Benga did indeed murder Rah.
The director showed M'Benga opening the box carrying the Knife after M'Benga says 'Rah never paid for his crimes"
Chapel lies. She claims she saw the whole thing, but she only walked in during the midst of it and what we saw doesn't line up with her description of events.
Pike being shocked that Rah supposedly physically attacked M'Benga. Nu Pike can generally read people and situations quite well. And the look from La'an and Christine's flimsy excuse all make it appear like they know M'Benga did it, but it's being covered up. Christine portraying Rah as some brutal animal with darkness in his heart that couldn't control himself... when Rah was more of a coward and even admitted to it. He was even in tears during that last scene. The director made some choices there.
M'Benga's vague words at the end that he 'didn't start the fight' ...referring to the war itself, not the specific situation.
He technically wouldn't be the first Trek 'hero' character to get away with murder. Kira. More recently Seven just beams down to that casino during the mess of Picard S1 and opens fire, and then executes people prompted by vengeance.... months later is Captain of the Enterprise.
The director showed M'Benga opening the box carrying the Knife after M'Benga says 'Rah never paid for his crimes"
Chapel lies. She claims she saw the whole thing, but she only walked in during the midst of it and what we saw doesn't line up with her description of events.
Pike being shocked that Rah supposedly physically attacked M'Benga. Nu Pike can generally read people and situations quite well. And the look from La'an and Christine's flimsy excuse all make it appear like they know M'Benga did it, but it's being covered up. Christine portraying Rah as some brutal animal with darkness in his heart that couldn't control himself... when Rah was more of a coward and even admitted to it. He was even in tears during that last scene. The director made some choices there.
M'Benga's vague words at the end that he 'didn't start the fight' ...referring to the war itself, not the specific situation.
He technically wouldn't be the first Trek 'hero' character to get away with murder. Kira. More recently Seven just beams down to that casino during the mess of Picard S1 and opens fire, and then executes people prompted by vengeance.... months later is Captain of the Enterprise.
And I already gave you a simple, straightforward answer. Multiple times. Even before you answered.
For the record, once again, harassing is obviously wrong, but killing someone who harass you isn’t justified.
Are you implying that women should kill harassers?
Even so, as stated plenty of times by several people, it likely goes from excess of defence to negligence.
then why did they lie? Also, it seems unlikely they can’t rush to treat a stab wound while literally being medics in a medical facility.
I’ve only just come to this thread.
I’ve a lot of pages to read through and I’m willing to have my mind changed, but I’m in no doubt that M’Benga killed the ambassador and that he and Chapel colluded to cover it up.
I’ve a lot of pages to read through and I’m willing to have my mind changed, but I’m in no doubt that M’Benga killed the ambassador and that he and Chapel colluded to cover it up.
No it wasn't and no it didn't.
Rah could have been intentionally or unintentionally stabbed. We don't which as we didn't see what actually happened.
They showed the audience the knife was there but they never showed who grabbed it during the scuffle. How Rah ended up getting stabbed is left ambiguous.
Yes. The episode gives enough evidence to point to M'Benga snapping and killing Rah. BUT! It also gives enough evidence that Rah could have been trying to kill M'Benga for knowing he was a fraud and ended up being unintentionally stabbed in a scuffle over the knife. I mean... Rah was the one facing the knife. Not M'Benga. There was Rah's reaction when M'Benga revealed he was the "Butcher of J'Gal". Rah whined about if people knew the truth about him his work, which was based on lies, would be undone. There's also the fact he got increasingly more aggressive towards M'Benga before they started scuffling.
Even the dialogue during the scuffle we don't see is ambiguous as to who was trying to stab who. For instance M'Benga's "Get your hands off!" can be interpreted as him telling Rah to take his hands off of him or off of the knife.
Part of the reason for her lie was to give a explanation for why the Butcher of J'Gal's knife was onboard the Enterprise.
All i know is The Doc was right.
Or drink.
Of course in Prof. R.'s class in the 24th century they would all be above this sorry of thing.
Everyone is offering their acceptance or condemnation of M'Benga except at the end we don't know what happened. By design.
It's like the Kobayashi Maru sim. Whatever you do to say you figured it out the writer's intent is that you don't. Was there / will there be am investigation? Sure. It will come out that JM will be in sick bay next week doing his job because it will not show that JM killed anyone. Security footage? Same thing.
We can make absolute statements like "No Star Trek hero should be a murderer" or "But he had it coming" or "It was self defense".
But these are all hypothetical because we're intentionally not supposed to know. Again, if you think you do, you're wrong.
What we do know is that JM feels better now. And we can debate all day long if he should or not.
It's like the Kobayashi Maru sim. Whatever you do to say you figured it out the writer's intent is that you don't. Was there / will there be am investigation? Sure. It will come out that JM will be in sick bay next week doing his job because it will not show that JM killed anyone. Security footage? Same thing.
We can make absolute statements like "No Star Trek hero should be a murderer" or "But he had it coming" or "It was self defense".
But these are all hypothetical because we're intentionally not supposed to know. Again, if you think you do, you're wrong.
What we do know is that JM feels better now. And we can debate all day long if he should or not.
A divergence: I liked Rah asking about the boatswain whistle.
Yup. It's murder with a flimsy excuse. If thats what happened. Im starting to believe it was. He's a starfleet officer. M''Benga could have stopped engaging rah after the dinner but instead he engaged him in a fight exercise. He could have decline. He was even lecturing ortegas to help their captain by going to the dinner. During the dinner he was gripping his chair the entire time. As the writer or durestir of the ep said. Rah actually was trying to find redemption. Yes if he did indeed kill civilians he is despicable but that wasn't M'Bebgas choice to make. Pike was indeed right.
Also:
"Make me one"
"It's a double"
"Even better"
They (Benga and Chapel) were both drunk. Of course he stabbed Rah and afterwards the two don't even remember much what happened.
"Make me one"
"It's a double"
"Even better"
They (Benga and Chapel) were both drunk. Of course he stabbed Rah and afterwards the two don't even remember much what happened.
