Zapfino?
Sure, but there is a huge difference between not forgiving someone and killing them.
so I’m authorised to murder Jehovah Witnesses after repeatedly asking them to leave? Good to know.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x08 - "Under the Cloak of War"
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Rah is an experienced warrior and educated diplomat, at some point some responsibility falls on him for not recognizing the potential danger he is provoking, by forcing a traumatized man he hurt to engage with him.
Are you a former member of JW? Did they hurt you? do they continue to interject themselves into your life despite your efforts to move on? Religious trauma is a real pain people face in reality so I hope you're not joking around, and making light of it to try to win imaginary internet points.
I guess his skirt was too short then.
So former members of Jehovah Witnesses are authorised to kill current members pestering them to rejoin. Got it.
Why would he possibly ask that? All of the evidence shows that the ambassador brought the knife to sick bay. Only chapel knows otherwise.
That argument is emblematic of traits outside one's control being expressed passively by entities minding thier own business. Rah on the other hand is proactive he consciously did everything conceivable to get himself killed just short of stabbing the knife into his body himself.
Are you making a strawman argument equating tolerated proselytizing with the abuses real people suffer when they try to get out of cults?
Saying that telling someone to “go away” repeatedly and being ignored justifies killing them is just yet another way of shifting the blame on the victim, saying they “provoked” the attack and “deserve” what they got.
You brought that up, not me. I just wrote that just because someone bothers you repeatedly you are not to kill them, even after telling them repeatedly to leave.
Let me ask you something.
Forget that Dak'Rah died, or anything that occured after M'Benga asked him to leave.
Do you think it's right to continually pester someone after being asked multiple times to leave and stop bothering them? And you know full well that you not only represent the overall war trauma that the other person went through, but you yourself gave the orders that created the situations that led to his trauma in the first place? You think it was still okay to keep bothering that person on multiple occasions and then he tells to leave him alone MULTIPLE TIMES?
You know the term that's used for being bothered after asking to be left alone several times? It's called HARASSMENT.
Dak'Rah was harassing M'Benga. This is NOT the actions of an ambassador, or someone with an ounce of integrity or respect. When someone tells you several times to leave them alone, you respect that person's request. It should have been followed the FIRST TIME M'Benga asked.
Have you ever been stalked? Or pestered on the street, followed, and insulted for blocks because you didn't smile when a guy complimented you as you walked by? Ever had sex with someone just to get them to leave without hurting you?
All these scenarios involve asking to be left alone.
They were wearing the black badges when we saw them on Lower Decks.
And that's a problem because you wrote a lie. What Rah did was more than bother he committed conscious acts of harrasment as others said, and repeatedly downplaying what happened as "bothering" makes one ironically sound like Rah.
I disagree that Rah was harassing M'Benga (he was definitely bothering him far more than he should have), but context is important. What happened on Enterprise doesn't come anywhere near justifying any sort of physical violence. The issue is that this behavior was re-openning an unhealed wound which Rah was responsible for during the events on J'Gal. In that context, this is effectively a continuation of the violence during that conflict - at least for M'Benga - and it's easier to sympathize with or even agree with M'Benga's actions.
As I said already, just because someone harass you it’s no justification to kill them. It’s not that hard.
once more, as an example of people *harassing* others, aka not leaving or repeatedly coming back after being told to leave, trying to convert people who stated plenty of times they are not interested. Irritating? Exhausting? Sure. But still no justification for murder.
Actually yes, some ten years ago. I started my own investigation on who this mad guy was and once I discovered his identity I went to the police, NOT to his house with a gun.
all very bad stuff but in no jurisdiction justification for killing someone.
Reread my post.
I said forget about everything that occured after M'Benga asked him to leave.
My question to you was do you think it is right to harass someone? It's a simple, straightforward question.
I was not mentioning anything about Dak'Rah's death or whether what happened to him was right or wrong.
So I ask you again... do you think it's okay for someone to be harassed?
Yup. Ok so the klingon was bugging him. No justification for murder. Actually the writer confirmed on The Ready Room that Rah was actually trying to change and do some good to make up for whay he did. So M' benga while having PTSD had no right to do what he did. He didn't even attempt to help after he stabbed him. He's a starfleet medical officer and should have took himself out of the situation right away before things got out of hand. He even had a fight excersise with Rah earlier in the episode. I'm not giving M'Benga any leeway here. He was on the wrong.
Sounded more like Rah was pleading with him not harassing him.
When you have been asked multiple times to leave someone alone and you still continue going at them, that IS harassment.
He was repeatedly approaching M'Benga and talking with him knowing M'Benga was someone struggling with the war's impact on him, M'Benga said to leave me alone.
I don't want to make the assumption that you're not a woman, but it's starting to look more and more likely.
Jurisdiction favors certain demographics as far as justification for killing goes.
Anyway, I've decided that it went as reported. Chapel saw it all. It was self-defense. M'Benga did not start the fight, but he's not sorry the other guy is dead.
