Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[cooleddie74]

TOS continuity in just Season 1 was more unstable than Sean Penn after a round of highballs.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I can't remember, was the bridge supposed to look any different in the alternate timeline (where Kirk is in command)? Somebody told me it was but honestly I didn't notice any difference.

 

[thribs]

So just like the old ones then?

Didn’t feel as bad back then.

 

[fireproof78]

So just like the old ones then?

Pretty much, yeah.

It's just become more in vogue to put it in an alternate timeline and tell it to be a good dog and stay in it's own place, and not mess with the other shows' toys.

I can't remember, was the bridge supposed to look any different in the alternate timeline (where Kirk is in command)? Somebody told me it was but honestly I didn't notice any difference.

The graphics were different colors.

 

[Noname Given]

It’s best not to think of the continuity with these new shows. It’s just confusing

Yeah I know. I felt that way when TNG premiered in 1987 as it was very different fron the STAR TREK I know.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah I know. I felt that way when TNG premiered in 1987 as it was very different fron the STAR TREK I know.

Indeed. TMP wasn't much more fun and TWOK was even worse with the new uniforms, and new people!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Didn’t feel as bad back then.

It was worse

 

[Omegaphallic]

It’s best not to think of the continuity with these new shows. It’s just confusing

I just blame all the paradoxes and anchronisms on time travellers, multiverse incursions and Gods like Q.

 

[Tallguy]

I just blame all the paradoxes and anchronisms on time travellers, multiverse incursions and Gods like Q.

So... Berman?

 

[Tallguy]

With a few months and the whole season to look back on, I'm pretty sure this came out as my favorite episode of the season. And it's not even close.

 

[Phoenix219]

Hmm, I've mentioned before, kind of tongue-in-cheek, how Picard already made changes to the depiction of Earth in the 2020s within the Trek universe by making it look so much like "our" 2020s. DS9 established that this time period should look like some weird dystopian version of the 1990s with godawful boxy clothes, the clunky computer terminals with low-res CRT monitors connected to this primitive network called the "Interface," and no smart devices, and people have "credit chips," whatever those are. Picard didn't specifically mention the Eugenics Wars, but Soong's Project Khan folder was apparently a remnant from the 1990s.

And then there was Voyager's visit to the 1990s, when the Earth was supposed to be in the throes of the Eugenics Wars or possibly in the messy aftermath, but the only hint of it that we got was Rain Robinson's model of the Botany Bay-type ship. But I suppose it just means that part of the world wasn't directly affected by the wars.

One more point on all this; in SNW season 1 there was footage of unrest on Earth that was clearly supposed to reflect the kinds of things happening in "our" 2020s, with Pike stating that this led to a second Civil War in the US, which then led to the Eugenics Wars, and finally World War III. So all of this stuff had already been pushed forward chronologically before the "Tomorrow..." episode.

Kor

I figure that first contact kicked off the time war, but then people went back farther and farther altering the timeline, the earliest being in the 60s delaying Khan's birth. We haven't actually seen that story yet. Just layer after layer of rewrite at various points after that point.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Wow. 2 10s in a row. I can see how some rated it higher than "Ad Astra Per Aspera."

With all the callbacks I did catch, I'm sure there must have been a few that I missed.

Spoiler: La'an having to deal with . . .

. . . a Romulan agent out to pollute the timeline, around the same (out-of-universe) time Picard had dealings with an ethnic Romulan Aegis agent out to save the timeline seemed like more than just a coincidence.

Rather surprised (even though I'd picked up word that the DTI was involved) that it was a DTI mission, and not an Aegis mission; repairing timelines seems more in Gary and Roberta's line of work than Dulmur and Lucsly's.

 

[Paul Weaver]

repairing timelines seems more in Gary and Roberta's line of work

They weren't time travellers. Gary Seven was a human whose ancestors were brought up on a another planet for 6000 years, genetically modifying in him some ways (immunity from a nerve pinch for example)

They could predict the consequences of the future path Earth was on, but they didn't police the timeline.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Hmm, I've mentioned before, kind of tongue-in-cheek, how Picard already made changes to the depiction of Earth in the 2020s within the Trek universe by making it look so much like "our" 2020s. DS9 established that this time period should look like some weird dystopian version of the 1990s with godawful boxy clothes, the clunky computer terminals with low-res CRT monitors connected to this primitive network called the "Interface," and no smart devices, and people have "credit chips," whatever those are. Picard didn't specifically mention the Eugenics Wars, but Soong's Project Khan folder was apparently a remnant from the 1990s.

Nope. Just a distinct difference between Northern and Southern California.

And then there was Voyager's visit to the 1990s, when the Earth was supposed to be in the throes of the Eugenics Wars or possibly in the messy aftermath, but the only hint of it that we got was Rain Robinson's model of the Botany Bay-type ship. But I suppose it just means that part of the world wasn't directly affected by the wars

Obviously.

‘90s Eugenics War was the equivalent of WWI. 21st century Eugenics War was the equivalent of WWII.

One more point on all this; in SNW season 1 there was footage of unrest on Earth that was clearly supposed to reflect the kinds of things happening in "our" 2020s, with Pike stating that this led to a second Civil War in the US, which then led to the Eugenics Wars, and finally World War III. So all of this stuff had already been pushed forward chronologically before the "Tomorrow..." episode.

Or the temporal agent did not understand time travel and had no idea what she was talking about. And might have been slowly going crazy due to the nature of her job.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

They weren't time travellers. Gary Seven was a human whose ancestors were brought up on a another planet for 6000 years, genetically modifying in him some ways (immunity from a nerve pinch for example)

They could predict the consequences of the future path Earth was on, but they didn't police the timeline.

I invoked Gary (raised by the Aegis) and Roberta (deputized by Gary) for those not familiar with how their "sponsors" (dubbed the Aegis by Greg Cox and others) were developed in the Novelverse. Perhaps I should have also invoked Talinn.

Oh, and (until now) DTI agents were not canonically time travelers. And the Aegis canonically (as of the Season 2 finale of PIC) work either with or for the Travelers.

 

[Tuskin38]

And the Aegis canonically (as of the Season 2 finale of PIC) work either with or for the Travelers.

I don't remember Picard Season 2 saying that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't remember Picard Season 2 saying that.

Wesley is a Traveler now, and he basically said that the Aegis work for him.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

That's also what Memory Alpha says, and it squares with my own vague memories of the scene. I was going to re-watch that scene (before going on to LD season 3 volume 2) before replying.

Here is that scene: PIC 2x10, "Farewell," time index 21:05.

"Hello, Kore."
"And you are . . ."
"That's a very long and very complicated story."
"Honestly, I've got nothing pressing." [chuckles]
"Okay."
"A long time ago, I was known as Wesley Crusher. But now, I'm a traveler of all of space and time."
[chuckles]
"You're kidding, right?"
"The last time I told a joke, I inadvertently changed a century's worth of history, so I work really hard to not be misunderstood."
"That's a lot."
"You have no idea. My colleagues and I, we dispatch those we call 'Supervisors' to help ensure the proper flow of time. See, the universe is essentially a grand tapestry. It is flawless. It is fragile. It is exquisite. Yet it is somehow always a thread's pull away from total annihilation. A star is born, but a ship is lost. A new species thrives, but a civilization collapses. Knowing when to step in, that's the tricky part. And so, my colleagues and I, we watch. We protect everything."
"Big job."
"Tell me about it. Two paths are before you. The first one leads to a perfectly normal life."
"Wait, is this a recruitment speech?"
"I'm not done. The second, that path leads to everything else. And it offers a chance to give your life purpose and meaning. But I cannot guarantee your safety. Okay, that's it. That was the recruitment speech."
[chuckles] [sighs] "I've never been safe."
"Welcome to the Travelers."

 

[Tuskin38]

I completely forgot about that.

 

[Tuskin38]

Something I didn’t realize until today (Thanks to a TrekCulture video) This episode finally made Riverside, Iowa, Kirk’s canon birthplace

Depending on your definition of canon of course. Gene adopted it as ‘official’ back in the 80s, but it was never mentioned on screen in any production until this episode