Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[Mudd]

You've got Shakespeare wrong.

 

[Unique]

I was attempting to lighten the tone.

 

[fireproof78]

Shakespeare doesn't translate well from the original Klingon.

 

[Unique]

Shakespeare doesn't translate well from the original Klingon.

My whole life, I’ve been waiting for someone to say that to me.

 

[DEWLine]

Did we really need to adopt Marvel and DC Comics editorial methods to keep Trek "relevant"?

 

[fireproof78]

Did we really need to adopt Marvel and DC Comics editorial methods to keep Trek "relevant"?

Yes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Trek's showrunners have, with this episode, doubled down on Trek being "our" future and not just a parallel universe like say, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is (I don't know about you, but I'd think I'd remember half of the population disappearing and reappearing these past 5 years).

It always has been. It not a new thing.

And I'm still wondering why it's so damned important that Trek's future be "our" future. Far as I'm concerned, that ship sailed a LONG time ago.

Why is it a bad thing?

id we really need to adopt Marvel and DC Comics editorial methods to keep Trek "relevant"?

It's a proven method and it works.

 

[cooleddie74]

Is it what I would have done with the Eugenics Wars? No. Does it make a storytelling difference or any other qualitative shift in 21st century Trek history that disrupts the flow of history and what we see in TOS and TWOK? Nope.

I'm fine with it. The Enterprise was an Earth starship until it was a Federation Starfleet starship and retconning that around the time of "Arena" and "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" made no difference in the flow of the chronology nor the events within.

 

[fireproof78]

It begs the question which is more important? The characters and their responses or the event itself?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Again I'll ask, how does changing the date impact any other stories? What does it alter?

 

[cooleddie74]

1996? Fine. 2036? Fine. Either date gets us Khan being thawed out in 2267 and dying in the Mutara Nebula in 2285. No difference and 2036 doesn't interfere with Trek's own version of Earth's space travel (nuclear fusion-driven ships by 2018, Colonel Shaun Geoffrey Christopher's mission to Saturn, Rene Picard's mission, the Charybdis and the manned Ares missions to Mars) and everything else happens when we expect it to.

It's all good.

 

[Mudd]

All fixed dates can be revised. This one has been. Others will be. Precedent has been established.

Debates about canon are time-wasting and stupid.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

But the writers couldn’t get the green light to use Archer, so they moved it a century back and rewrote it around Khan and the Eugenics Wars.

This is baseless, counterfactual speculation.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Everything is canon, even the contridictions.

 

[Mudd]

My favorite moment may be when La'An realizes that Kirk has never heard the name Noonian- Singh.

 

[Guy Gardener]

My favorite moment may be when La'An realizes that Kirk has never heard the name Noonian- Singh.

Kirk in the Kelvin Timeline seemed to have no idea what a Khan was when Khan finally owned up to being Khan.

 

[jackoverfull]

Kirk in the Kelvin Timeline seemed to have no idea what a Khan was when Kahn finally owned up to being Kahn.

also on TOS he was not famous, they had to review history to remember him.

 

[Mudd]

Kirk in the Kelvin Timeline seemed to have no idea what a Khan was when Kahn finally owned up to being Kahn.

But Kirk in "Space Seed" knew all about Khan Noonian SIngh. As apparently did everyone else on his senior staff. I mean, the dude was Space Hitler before Michelle Yeoh.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But Kirk in "Space Seed" knew all about Khan Noonian SIngh. As apparently did everyone else on his senior staff. I mean, the dude was Space Hitler before Michelle Yeoh.

They knew him by reputation, but they didn't know his face.

There was an episode of the Metal Hurlant Chronicles where 24th century astronauts find a freezerburned Walt Disney, and decide to space him, because they lost the paperwork on who he was and assumed that the family would never find out and sue them.

https://www.tvmaze.com/episodes/42204/metal-hurlant-chronicles-1x03-red-light-cold-hard-facts

 

[Mudd]

They knew him by reputation, but they didn't know his face.
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TOS guessed wrong about almost every aspect of information and communications technology.