Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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Blue Bloods was also fascist propaganda. Of course the NYPD would grant them every right to use their nameI'm not sure why there WOULD be any bad PR, since the cops in this episode don't seem to be doing anything that would deserve it.
I guess the Toronto Police Service just has stricter rules regarding how their name and likeness can be used in fiction.
For example, in the first couple of seasons of Blue Bloods, they COUD use the name "NYPD" but could not use the real NYPD logo. Similar story here, perhaps?
What is it about Blue Bloods that makes it "fascist propaganda?" I haven't seen a single episode, but I see it's been renewed for a fourteenth season so I'm curious.
"Heroic cops victimized by the evil social justice movement, who are also rapists....and probably non-white." is the typical run down of any episode given. Let's just say, that a lot of folks watching Blue Bloods are going to have their worldviews affirmed. It’s very slick PR for white supremacy.
In rewatching the episode, I noticed something that isn't in it: La'An surprised that the Noonian-Singh Institute exists in the 21st century as a respectable, more-or-less mainstream scientific endeavor or think-tank. At no point are we led to believe that she thinks the Eugenics Wars took place in the 20th century. She's not surprised that Khan would be a young boy at this time.
Because, ever since the first episode of SNW, she's already been established as living in the current version of the Prime timeline in which the Eugenics Wars take place in the mid-21st century. One wonders if she was bemused by the Romulan agent daftly rambling on about how all of this was "supposed to have happened thirty years ago."
This episode doesn't "reset the timeline." It was already reset in the episode "Strange New Worlds." It was reset before the Romulan operative or La'An and Kirk showed up in the past.
Because, ever since the first episode of SNW, she's already been established as living in the current version of the Prime timeline in which the Eugenics Wars take place in the mid-21st century. One wonders if she was bemused by the Romulan agent daftly rambling on about how all of this was "supposed to have happened thirty years ago."
This episode doesn't "reset the timeline." It was already reset in the episode "Strange New Worlds." It was reset before the Romulan operative or La'An and Kirk showed up in the past.
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Yeah, it was pretty much La'an discovering the mechanism not it actually changing.
Exactly. The only one in the story trying to change the timeline was the Romulan, who'd been sent back to 1992 only to discover that her own timeline had already been wiped out - she expected to find and kill Khan in the 1990s. So all La'An and Kirk were doing was protecting the timeline in which Khan was born in the 21st century and would go on to fight the Eugenic Wars that evidently were crucial to the later formation of the Federation.
I'm sure some fans will take all these bits and pieces and construct a new "future history" for Star Trek. On first glance, it might appear a mite too fortuitous that if Khan dies the Federation doesn't form - why should he be so central? But consider that apparently Khan is one of the leaders of the nations who fight World War III, possibly (likely?) one of the primary causes of it. And of course if WWIII doesn't happen, then Zephram Cochrane doesn't wind up squatting at some abandoned ICBM installation turning a derelict missile into a warp drive vessel, without which we don't make first contact with the Vulcans...
I'm sure some fans will take all these bits and pieces and construct a new "future history" for Star Trek. On first glance, it might appear a mite too fortuitous that if Khan dies the Federation doesn't form - why should he be so central? But consider that apparently Khan is one of the leaders of the nations who fight World War III, possibly (likely?) one of the primary causes of it. And of course if WWIII doesn't happen, then Zephram Cochrane doesn't wind up squatting at some abandoned ICBM installation turning a derelict missile into a warp drive vessel, without which we don't make first contact with the Vulcans...
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And if the wrong people like Khan's Augments and Colonel Green win that period of warfare then there's no First Contact and all the decades of Renaissance that follow. We end up closer to the Mirror Universe of Earth than we do United Earth and the Federation. I mean, if Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo had won the Second World War something tells me the Space Race and all the wonderful technological and cultural breakthroughs and innovations that stemmed from it would not have happened at all or at the very least happened in a radically different way that would serve a victorious global tyranny.
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I'm running a little behind because of a very busy summer, but I watched this last night and I thought it was really damn good. I don't give a shidt about the timelines and the Star Trek Chronology or any of that stuff. I like to watch a good Star Trek episode, and this one episode was far more interesting and entertaining than all of PIC S2's time travel foolishness put together.
The chemistry between La'an and Kirk was good, the twist was unexpected, and it was fun and intriguing all throughout.
My bit question is regarding the Romulans. Are they going back in time and meddling with Earth history, or are they 21st century Romulans? If they're 21st Century, it doesn't make sense that they are flying that BoP. That was supposed to be a new type of ship in the 2260's.
Otherwise, I got a big kick out of this one. 9/10 Most entertaining of the season so far.
The chemistry between La'an and Kirk was good, the twist was unexpected, and it was fun and intriguing all throughout.
My bit question is regarding the Romulans. Are they going back in time and meddling with Earth history, or are they 21st century Romulans? If they're 21st Century, it doesn't make sense that they are flying that BoP. That was supposed to be a new type of ship in the 2260's.
Otherwise, I got a big kick out of this one. 9/10 Most entertaining of the season so far.
She didn't tell him that the watch started glowing. It was a playful jab.
As she was too focused looking at him to see it anyways.
... what? Khan isn't being made "the central figure to the formation of the Federation." The destruction of Toronto kicks off a long war between Earth and Romulus in which United Earth never takes the initiative to form the Federation.
The attempted assassination of Khan would have prevented the formation of the Federation in the same way that the survival of Edith Keeler would have so prevented the formation of the Federation -- not because of either figure helping forge the Federation per se, but because either figure's roles changing causes so many Butterfly Effect changes that the Federation doesn't form.
Absolutely nothing about it links to Archer in any manner whatsoever.
Ask yourself which is more likely:
1) That the writers wanted to but could not use one particular character out of dozens in ST's history; or,
2) That the writers wanted to tell a story featuring La'an coming face to face with her infamous evil ancestor.
Interesting episode.
I still don't like Wesley's Kirk, but it was passable as another alternate universe version of Kirk, I suppose.
It really was a deep episode for La'an. Good stuff there.
I think she DID show surprise - "you're just a little boy" at his reveal.
Interesting that the Temporal Cold War and future Romulans are somehow involved. This is just begging for an Enterprise crossover of some sort.
I've always figured that the TCW and everything involving the NX and Archer being saved and instrumental in forming the Federation was all course correction after the Borg almost screwed up First Contact. Apparently, once the war was sparked here, it extended backwards, with attacks going further into Earth's past as the conflict continued. Its interesting to note that with the Eugenics Wars happening much later, it is almost back to the TOS standard of Eugenics Wars/WWIII being the same final conflict.
I still don't like Wesley's Kirk, but it was passable as another alternate universe version of Kirk, I suppose.
It really was a deep episode for La'an. Good stuff there.
I think she DID show surprise - "you're just a little boy" at his reveal.
Interesting that the Temporal Cold War and future Romulans are somehow involved. This is just begging for an Enterprise crossover of some sort.
I've always figured that the TCW and everything involving the NX and Archer being saved and instrumental in forming the Federation was all course correction after the Borg almost screwed up First Contact. Apparently, once the war was sparked here, it extended backwards, with attacks going further into Earth's past as the conflict continued. Its interesting to note that with the Eugenics Wars happening much later, it is almost back to the TOS standard of Eugenics Wars/WWIII being the same final conflict.
Because she'd never really thought of him in terms of his humanity, only as an historical monster she'd loathed.
That the rooms were the home of a child had been foreshadowed clearly from their first entry. I don't know how any viewer wouldn't have realized that Khan was a kid, much less La'An - even had she not already known it, which of course she would.
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How did he get a hotel room without ID?
TOS Khan that was born in the 50-60s and left in the 90s had no massacres.
2023 child Khan has had people trying to kill him his entire life, and was traumatized younger, and had much more of a mean streak.
A reverse City on the Edge of Forever, considering Kirk purposefully sacrifices his future, doens't fix his timeline and might have even gotten the girl if he hadn't died.
And a credit card on file?
It should have been a sleazy motel on the edge of town, with two beds.
That vibrate.
I swear this is the dumbest bullshit complaint I’ve ever encountered in 50 years of watching Trek. A wad of cash, an underpaid cleaning staff, and a hotel at less than full capacity…voilà. I guarantee you I could manage it in under 20 minutes in a big city hotel. It’s a frequent occurrence in all sorts of spy/adventure/etc. movies and shows. FFS.
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