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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

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The last episode of SNW was set in 2022, if the actors age of 11 is taken as the characters age (not always true I admit) then Khan will be reaching 30 around 2040 which means it is possible he seized power about 2045, leading to a 5 year Eugenics Wars/WWIII which went nuclear hot in 2053. Khan fled in the aftermath leading to the war stalemating and moving into the post-atomic Horror TNG described.

That's my No Prize way of untangling the DIS/SNW version of the EWs.
 
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I don't know if anyone else has yet mentioned this but the writers of this episode did something very cool to preserve continuity. La'an sees a Romulan and returns to her normal timeline with memories of the Romulan agent. But because the agent disguised herself to look like an Earth human La'an has no clue what a real Romulan looks like so even if she did tell her shipmates about what happened she couldn't reveal anything about how Romulans look that would screw up the ENT-through-TOS continuity.

A brown-haired twentysomething human woman holding a 21st century handgun hardly reveals something sensitive to a pre-"Balance of Terror(TOS)" Starfleet crew. :)
 
Ogrebear said:
The last episode of SNW was set in 2022, if the actors age of 11 is taken as the characters age (not always true I admit) then Khan will be reaching 20 around 2040 which means it is possible he seized power about 2045, leading to a 5 year Eugenics Wars/WWIII which went nuclear hot in 2053. Khan fled in the aftermath leading to the war stalemating and moving into the post-atomic Horror TNG described.

That's my No Prize way of untangling the DIS/SNW version of the EWs.
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Well Pike told those Alien Americans that the Second American Civil War lead to the Eugenics Wars which lead to WW3. So the Eugenics Wars was basically a phase of the larger World War III.
 
cooleddie74 said:
I don't know if anyone else has yet mentioned this but the writers of this episode did something very cool to preserve continuity. La'an sees a Romulan and returns to her normal timeline with memories of the Romulan agent. But because the agent disguised herself to look like an Earth human La'an has no clue what a real Romulan looks like so even if she did tell her shipmates about what happened she couldn't reveal anything about how Romulans look that would screw up the ENT-through-TOS continuity.

A brown-haired twentysomething human woman holding a 21st century handgun hardly reveals something sensitive to a pre-"Balance of Terror(TOS)" Starfleet crew. :)
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Pike knows. He met Romulans in his time travel adventure last year.
 
Ogrebear said:
The last episode of SNW was set in 2022, if the actors age of 11 is taken as the characters age (not always true I admit) then Khan will be reaching 20 around 2040 which means it is possible he seized power about 2045, leading to a 5 year Eugenics Wars/WWIII which went nuclear hot in 2053. Khan fled in the aftermath leading to the war stalemating and moving into the post-atomic Horror TNG described.

That's my No Prize way of untangling the DIS/SNW version of the EWs.
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Accelerated growth?

Sarah wanted to kill Kahn, and she may be as incompetent as she is pretty, but are we to seriously believe that she had been looking for Project kahn, or the Noonian-Singh Institute for cultural advancement, or found opening the front door to the Noonian-Singh Institute for cultural advancement very very difficult, for almost 15 years and came up short?

Lets assume that Sarah has enough tech to detect another time traveller landing with in a hundred miles of where she is standing, even it if it's just a magnetized needle floating in a soapdish, because she does not have enough tech to open a door, despite being 4 times stronger than a human being (of the same size. 4 times strong than a tiny actress?), or go home.

La'an and Kirk's arrival provoked her.
 
Orac Zen said:
Late to the party again, but anyway.

I really couldn't get into the first half (or so) of this episode (it took me more than a day to get through it; it just didn't engage me at all). Time travel has been done to death in Trek, after all, and the ep seemed a bit dull and pedestrian. It was on course to be a real letdown after the first two eps. I found myself wondering how they found somewhere to stay so easily and where they found pyjamas. There was the cliched person from the future trying to drive a car... Basically the episode wasn't doing a thing for me. Then they got to the facility where child Khan was held and it became quite a bit better.

Overall, not one of the show's better outings. I'm not really convinced by Paul Wesley as Kirk, but Christina Chong was particularly good.
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Wesley isn't channeling Shatner, he's channeling Pine. IMHO doing a great job of it.
I found the early scenes dull, but they made sense when the episode became a journey for La'an. I had tears, literally, when she was with child-Khan, and more tears when she spoke with Kirk at the end. This episode is closure for her feelings about being a Noonien Singh. This had to be done, and it was well done.
 
Enjoyable time travel episode. Kind of unrealistic to expect a Eugenics project to be hidden in one of the most regulated nations on Earth (and not somewhere like Wuhan), but I get it, Toronto is where they've filmed, it's cheaper.

Christina is wonderful, and really got to stretch her legs here.
 
An interesting concept for a time travel episode, plus I enjoyed the interplay between Kirk and La'an a lot.
 
Grizzlor said:
Enjoyable time travel episode. Kind of unrealistic to expect a Eugenics project to be hidden in one of the most regulated nations on Earth (and not somewhere like Wuhan), but I get it, Toronto is where they've filmed, it's cheaper.

Christina is wonderful, and really got to stretch her legs here.
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Department K built the Experiment X Compound where they made Weapon X.

Canadians have a rough history with Super Soldiers.
 
Grizzlor said:
Enjoyable time travel episode. Kind of unrealistic to expect a Eugenics project to be hidden in one of the most regulated nations on Earth (and not somewhere like Wuhan), but I get it, Toronto is where they've filmed, it's cheaper.

Christina is wonderful, and really got to stretch her legs here.
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Why Wuhan, China? Khan was established as being from India and if Paramount had the budget for location shoots by all rights that's where this episode should have taken place in. Although the livestreaming blackmail element of the cops might not have been as plausible anymore,was barely plausible as is
 
cooleddie74 said:
I mean, nobody's going to look for the Stanley Cup in Canada. ;)
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I hate to be "that guy" but I feel I gotta stand up for my countrymen. The Vegas Knights just won the cup, right? Most of the team is Canadian, including the coach.... So, odds are the cup is in Canada.


I hate hockey.



Go Yankees.
 
Yistaan said:
Why Wuhan, China? Khan was established as being from India and if Paramount had the budget for location shoots by all rights that's where this episode should have taken place in. Although the livestreaming blackmail element of the cops might not have been as plausible anymore,was barely plausible as is
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I doubt Grizzlor wasn't being literal. Wuhan is just a place that has been in the news in association with labs.
Being from India is just a guess by McGivers, based on Khan being a Sikh. His "territory" was Asia including the Middle East. He could be from any of the countries in that region or none of them. His cohort was a "mixed types. Western, mid-European, Latin, Oriental."
 
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La an shouldn't have killed Sera. kid Khan should've come out screaming with a hockey stick and killed her to showcase his enhanced strength
 
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