We've more or less known this since Season 2 of Discovery.
Heck, if you try you can actively track the various changes to the timeline Burnham's mother made with her Red Angel suit.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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Heck, if you try you can actively track the various changes to the timeline Burnham's mother made with her Red Angel suit.
You could explain this away with the idea that alternate timelines are the natural result of quantum branching when different choices are made, and their resulting ripple effect, while events like this episode and "Yesterday's Enterprise" are the result of direct temporal distortions happening within the same quantum state, in which that particular state gets overwritten. Otherwise, a character like Sela never appears in the 'corrected' TNG timeline.
The bottom line, however, is the time travel in Trek is a godawful mess hodge-podged together by who knows how many different writers and show-runners.
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It was the generic "Trek to modern day Earth" episode EVERY series does. Kirk was more charming and likeable here than in his first appearance. Looking forward to angsty La'an meeting "our" version of Jim.
But them acknowledging that they're set in a "post" Temporal Wars universe where Khan is a kid in the 2020's and not the 1990's is what this episode will always be remembered for by nerds. The rewriting of Memory Alpha alone will be something else
But them acknowledging that they're set in a "post" Temporal Wars universe where Khan is a kid in the 2020's and not the 1990's is what this episode will always be remembered for by nerds. The rewriting of Memory Alpha alone will be something else
One of the things I liked best about the FASA Trek game and John M. Ford's The Final Reflection were the timelines and histories presented. I used to just sit and read and re-read the Federation timeline in the old FASA books just for fun.
Did you really not understand the 92 thing and the Romulans explanation? I thought it was pretty understandable. Everytime she or others in the timewar try to change things time tries to fix itself. It's basically what old spock said in the 2009 movie.I do have to say I didn't seecoming, so that was a good twist. I just didn't understand how the threat went fromSara being the Romulan intruder"We have a bomb we're going to use to destroy the city" to "Oh, look, Baby Khan is here, too so let's kill him." especially since Khan was supposed to have been in power in the 1990s. That line about her waiting since 1992 didn't make any sense.
But yeah, really good character development. Also,made me laugh out loud."I can also make plomeek soup in a toilet!"
Only that didn't really alter the timeline. From the perspective of the rest of the 'verse, the Enterprise simply left for its next assignment three days earlier, perhaps even later given their potential distance displacement from Psi 2000 after imploding the engines. Sort as if the ship made a 'jump' like the nu-Galactica, with a bit of a time as well as distance displacement. They didn't return to Psi 2000 to try and meet themselves, or try to warn themselves over subspace radio and change events. (Doing so would have caused a paradox anyway.)
How does 'time' heal the purposeful destruction of a planet taking billions (millions?) of its inhabitants with it?
And the episode "All our Yesterdays" with Zarabeth and the Atavachron, although that didn't involve Earth history.
I think Picard was ambiguous on Khan. Adam Soong has a file called “Project Khan”. Khan Noonien-Singh may the the end product of that research. Malalas via Memory Alpha
Might a few “breaking points”. This kid was probably 10? So by the 2030s he might be poised to rule the world or a good chunk of it.
Solid 8 from me as well. Elevated by the last act and Chong’s performance.
In one timeline, Romulus dies. In another, Vulcan. A world of Vulcanoids is gone. Balance, in a way.
LA'AN: I'm keeping the garage door opener. You can't have it. And don't even think about throwing those heel spikes at my head.
AGENT YMALAY: Okay. You can keep the garage door opener. And for the record, Kahless himself bowed down to these shoes to lick them clean of blood...
AGENT YMALAY: What the ***k have they done with the Protostar? God damn Janeway...
CARL: Yikes! It's her. With those shoes! Hide me! Shit! I can't even go through my own damn doorway!
I think the key phrase is “under his rule”, they never said what he did to get to the point where he was ruler.
Not on this budget. We’re lucky they could afford new badges.
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I'm just glad it's not New York or L.A. this time, no offense to those folks.
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That was a TOS 3rd season episode. In the post I replied to, the poster was only talking about TOS S1 Time Travel episodes.
So the money he won in short amount of time playing chess (which. I don't believe. It's a lot of money in a short time) bought them that large hotel suite with one bedroom? Why not get a simple single-room, 2-bed hotel room for far less?
They also got enough to bribe a border guard, they got the money converted to American currency to buy the cab and then were able to bribe their way back into Canada?
That's a LOT of money he won simply playing chess for a few hours.
They also got enough to bribe a border guard, they got the money converted to American currency to buy the cab and then were able to bribe their way back into Canada?
That's a LOT of money he won simply playing chess for a few hours.
Meh, a 6. I really wanted to like this one. Fun premise and involves one of my favorite characters, Kirk.
But it just didn't quite work. It had all the ingredients for a great episode but it didn't gel. They obviously had some great moments planned out but they didn't really have the impact they should have because they work together. In short, the sum of the parts was less than the whole.
I'm trying to piece together what went wrong. The direction was lackluster for one thing.
They had a nice arc planned for the episode with the M'Benga/La'an's conversation being mirrored with La'an's plea to Kirk about why he should save her timeline (the Federation doesn't have to go it alone). But it really didn't carry through.
Also, the relationship between La'an and Kirk was supposed to be super meaningful for La'an. But it just didn't work that way onscreen.
Kirk was pretty much unrecognizable as played by Wesley. I'll cut him some slack this time because it's an alternate Kirk in a very much altered timeline. But the rubber hits the road the next time we see Kirk because it'll be the "real" Kirk shortly before TOS. For this episode, it was just easier to picture Wesley as a non-Kirk character.
I did like how Kirk wasn't bluffing!!
There should've been potential for La'an's heritage issues. This episode effectively showed how it bothered her. But really it just seemed lacking in that area and the Kahn cameo seemed forced and didn't really go anywhere.
Good ideas but poor execution. Here's hoping we get back to the good stuff next week!
But it just didn't quite work. It had all the ingredients for a great episode but it didn't gel. They obviously had some great moments planned out but they didn't really have the impact they should have because they work together. In short, the sum of the parts was less than the whole.
I'm trying to piece together what went wrong. The direction was lackluster for one thing.
They had a nice arc planned for the episode with the M'Benga/La'an's conversation being mirrored with La'an's plea to Kirk about why he should save her timeline (the Federation doesn't have to go it alone). But it really didn't carry through.
Also, the relationship between La'an and Kirk was supposed to be super meaningful for La'an. But it just didn't work that way onscreen.
Kirk was pretty much unrecognizable as played by Wesley. I'll cut him some slack this time because it's an alternate Kirk in a very much altered timeline. But the rubber hits the road the next time we see Kirk because it'll be the "real" Kirk shortly before TOS. For this episode, it was just easier to picture Wesley as a non-Kirk character.
I did like how Kirk wasn't bluffing!!
There should've been potential for La'an's heritage issues. This episode effectively showed how it bothered her. But really it just seemed lacking in that area and the Kahn cameo seemed forced and didn't really go anywhere.
Good ideas but poor execution. Here's hoping we get back to the good stuff next week!
While I'll accept that the network wanted them to have a ship-based show from the get-go, instead of futzing around on Earth for a season prior to launch, I doubt the network said anything about having a time war. It sounds like another Braga/Berman excuse to distance themselves from something that fans hated, just like their story about being told to use the Akira design.
^ No, the TCW was definitely ordered by the network.
As was the transporter. ENTs creators didn't want to have that either. But UPN made them.
As was the transporter. ENTs creators didn't want to have that either. But UPN made them.
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