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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"

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This is getting a bit much. Pike's accident is so horrific because it's senseless and probably preventable, like many real life tragedies. Now it's being romanticized such that the galaxy as we know it will end if he doesn't go get fried. They've basically turned him into the Federation's First Servant who suffers horrifically so his people can be free, a concept he rejected just a few weeks ago. Maybe Alora can show up to point out Pike's hypocrisy (yeah the First Servant was a kid but he was also shown to have adult level intelligence and we really don't know the species' maturity rate is equivalent to humans')

Maybe at this point just turn Pike's beeping wheelchair into Warhammer 40,000's golden throne with beeping Pike the Emperor who's suffering for the galaxy. I think Star Trek's having issues if it's romanticizing Warhammer 40k philosophy of all things now.
 
Airmandan said:
What I want to know is how does Pike being there make the events of BOT worse? Somehow it has gone from one Romulan vessel attacking border outposts to what apparently is a full-on engagement with multiple vessels.
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It's what Kirk did that Pike didn't do. Also there's a short story in the early Star Trek Strange New Worlds paperback book that made be link to the episode. I can't remember the name of the short story, but it take place before, during and after the events. It center on the Romulan warbird Commander, his son and a Romulan Princess. The Romulan Princess was in command of the Romulan fleet that was on the other side of the Neutral Zone at the time warbird was destroyed. The short story is a fan written story.
 
Yistaan said:
This is getting a bit much. Pike's accident is so horrific because it's senseless and probably preventable, like many real life tragedies. Now it's being romanticized such that the galaxy as we know it will end if he doesn't go get fried. They've basically turned him into the Federation's First Servant who suffers horrifically so his people can be free, a concept he rejected just a few weeks ago. Maybe Alora can show up to point out Pike's hypocrisy (yeah the First Servant was a kid but he was also shown to have adult level intelligence and we really don't know the species' maturity rate is equivalent to humans')

Maybe at this point just turn Pike's beeping wheelchair into Warhammer 40,000's golden throne with beeping Pike the Emperor who's suffering for the galaxy. I think Star Trek's having issues if it's romanticizing Warhammer 40k philosophy of all things now.
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Not romanticized, but truly unavoidable. Not only was it established in TOS, but DSC and SNW as well.

You're heard of "The Butterfly Effect" or some form thereof, haven't you? It isn't as simple as Pike not going to tour the cadet ship and all is well. There are probably hundreds of other events that branch out from that very event. He doesn't tour the cadet ship, the baffle plate ruptures and all cadets aboard die. A few of those cadets may have bearing on some other event that happens further on that may mean the fate of thousands or millions of other lives. That's just one example, not to mention Kirk not assuming command of Enterprise, causing other lives to be lost due to decisions being different somewhere along the line.
 
KirkusOveractus said:
Not romanticized, but truly unavoidable. Not only was it established in TOS, but DSC and SNW as well.

You're heard of "The Butterfly Effect" or some form thereof, haven't you? It isn't as simple as Pike not going to tour the cadet ship and all is well. There are probably hundreds of other events that branch out from that very event. He doesn't tour the cadet ship, the baffle plate ruptures and all cadets aboard die. A few of those cadets may have bearing on some other event that happens further on that may mean the fate of thousands or millions of other lives. That's just one example, not to mention Kirk not assuming command of Enterprise, causing other lives to be lost due to decisions being different somewhere along the line.
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This same franchise showed us in TNG Tapestry that Picard could have stayed an ensign for life and the Federation wouldn't end...

Furthermore (spoilers for Picard S2)
Rios change the destiny of tons of people in 2024 including freeing a whole bunch of ICE prisoners, but only Renee Picard's destiny was important. As I pointed out in the Picard thread, this gave the awful unintended impression that a beautiful white woman's timeline was more important to the galaxy than a bunch of hispanic people.
 
Yistaan said:
This same franchise showed us in TNG Tapestry that Picard could have stayed an ensign for life and the Federation wouldn't end...
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Sure, in other realities. In this timeline, in the Prime Universe, Pike tours a cadet ship, a baffle plate ruptures, he saves any cadets that were still alive and he ends up scarred, crippled and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

Simple. There is nothing else to say.
 
KirkusOveractus said:
Sure, in other realities. In this timeline, in the Prime Universe, Pike tours a cadet ship, a baffle plate ruptures, he saves any cadets that were still alive and he ends up scarred, crippled and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

Simple. There is nothing else to say.
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Picard: Every choice we make allows us to manipulate the future. Do I ask Adrienne or Suzanne to the spring dance? Do I take my holiday on Corsica or on Risa? A person's life, their future, hinges on each of a thousand choices. Living is making choices. Now you ask me to believe that if I make a choice other than the one found in your history books, then your past will be irrevocably altered. Well, you know, Professor, perhaps I don't give a damn about your past, because your past is my future and as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't been written yet.

That's all Pike has to say to his future self. Word for word what Picard said in "Matter of Time" episode.
 
Yistaan said:
Picard: Every choice we make allows us to manipulate the future. Do I ask Adrienne or Suzanne to the spring dance? Do I take my holiday on Corsica or on Risa? A person's life, their future, hinges on each of a thousand choices. Living is making choices. Now you ask me to believe that if I make a choice other than the one found in your history books, then your past will be irrevocably altered. Well, you know, Professor, perhaps I don't give a damn about your past, because your past is my future and as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't been written yet.

That's all Pike has to say to his future self. Word for word what Picard said in "Matter of Time" episode.
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Sounds good. Glad it's all worked out.
 
KirkusOveractus said:
Not romanticized, but truly unavoidable. Not only was it established in TOS, but DSC and SNW as well.

You're heard of "The Butterfly Effect" or some form thereof, haven't you? It isn't as simple as Pike not going to tour the cadet ship and all is well. There are probably hundreds of other events that branch out from that very event. He doesn't tour the cadet ship, the baffle plate ruptures and all cadets aboard die. A few of those cadets may have bearing on some other event that happens further on that may mean the fate of thousands or millions of other lives. That's just one example, not to mention Kirk not assuming command of Enterprise, causing other lives to be lost due to decisions being different somewhere along the line.
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It wouldn't had anything to do what taking place in the season final, base on that the event that took place on the training ship would have happen 5 months or less before the events in episode.
 
I think it’s great that Pike being locked into his fate hasn’t been a problem for nearly 60 years. Then they create a great show around him and all of sudden, let’s just toss it. James T. Who? Jean Luc What? I mean, even the Kelvin timeline took him off the board.

They should just embrace the idea of this show being in an alternate universe and let him live with zero consequences.
 
Yistaan said:
This is getting a bit much. Pike's accident is so horrific because it's senseless and probably preventable, like many real life tragedies. Now it's being romanticized such that the galaxy as we know it will end if he doesn't go get fried.
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Romanticized? He made a choice, knowing the consequences, and is potentially trying to avoid the consequences. He also has a strong sense of duty, one that would compel him to make that decision in the name of saving others. I think it's more important that he stay true to himself, and bear the consequences, whatever they might be.
 
Paul755 said:
I think it’s great that Pike being locked into his fate hasn’t been a problem for nearly 60 years. Then they create a great show around him and all of sudden, let’s just toss it. James T. Who? Jean Luc What? I mean, even the Kelvin timeline took him off the board.

They should just embrace the idea of this show being in an alternate universe and let him live with zero consequences.
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Well, it doesn't need to be a problem. That's what fate is.

It's threads like this that make me glad that some fans aren't in charge of writing or producing Star Trek.
 
I'd honestly prefer the alternate reality idea because it opens up so much more story telling ideas. Pike vs all the TOS classics would be cool to see. Have Kirk appear as a frequent guest, but he's captain of the Defiant or one of the other Constitution class vessels.
 
I think this going to be a new time line with Pike staying Captain of the Enterprise instead of Kirk. That base on the photos of James Kirk, which show him having Captain rank. I do see Pike being promoted to Admiral, staying onboard the Enterprise and James Kirk coming Captain of the Enterprise. It would be kind of like Voyage To The Bottom of The Sea. I think that Captain Pike and Captain Kirk will be a good team.
We also have to see if they don't kill off Sam Kirk.
 
Yistaan said:
This is getting a bit much. Pike's accident is so horrific because it's senseless and probably preventable, like many real life tragedies. Now it's being romanticized such that the galaxy as we know it will end if he doesn't go get fried. They've basically turned him into the Federation's First Servant who suffers horrifically so his people can be free, a concept he rejected just a few weeks ago. Maybe Alora can show up to point out Pike's hypocrisy (yeah the First Servant was a kid but he was also shown to have adult level intelligence and we really don't know the species' maturity rate is equivalent to humans')

Maybe at this point just turn Pike's beeping wheelchair into Warhammer 40,000's golden throne with beeping Pike the Emperor who's suffering for the galaxy. I think Star Trek's having issues if it's romanticizing Warhammer 40k philosophy of all things now.
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I said from the start even as far back as discovery that there was no need to show pike's accident but because discovery was so thin in plot they could not help themselves, now it is all over blown,
 
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