You just know if they had the egg laying concept back then Shatner would've overacted the implantation and hatching scenes for all they're worth.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"
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Maybe these Gorn are not the ones that make starships and create a culture. Maybe theyre just the drone soldiers. They may be criminal Gorn as well.
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It would have been omega glorious.
"On stardate 2259.42, Kirk reported to the USS Enterprise as a member of the life sciences department under the command of Lieutenant Spock."
So Sam wasn't just trashing a Vulcan this week, he was trashing his direct boss.
So Sam wasn't just trashing a Vulcan this week, he was trashing his direct boss.
This Spock is interesting to watch, but not because he kills without remorse.
The Horta was a mobile vat of acid that targeted humans, leaving only bits of bone and teeth remaining. It was not known to use language or operate space craft.
The Gorn have been clearly established as an advanced species, and it is known that the assailants in this episode are juveniles. Some remorse at having to kill them would have been welcome.
For a split second, I thought it was rude that Spock didn't say "Live long and prosper" back to Hemmer. And then I was like, "Ohhh yeah...that would just be cruel if he did say it." 
I assume there are usually adult Gorn(s?) to direct and shape the hatchlings once the dominate one has triumphed over his lessers. This brood left the hatchery without a "mother hen". Feral children, if you will.
But I think he's also realizing that he and Christine are actually more compatible than he and T'Pring -- because, unlike T'Pring, Christine lives a life that's similar to his and actually accepts Spock for who he is rather than trying to make him fit into one box or another. So he's simultaneously feeling like he's found something he didn't know he was missing -- but also extremely disoriented because this is a threat to the life he had planned for himself with T'Pring.[/QUOTE]
I get the impression that T'Pring is a Princess. She sure does Princess around with jewelry and makeup and that Qing Princess air about her. Spock's marriage may have politics behind it. It's also possible he is permitted more than one wife. It's equally possible there are parts of Vulcan culture which practice polyandry or multiple husbands. why waste a good man on pon farr without a mate?
Ever notice how this Chapel resembles Amanda? Since all continuity seems to be out the door we have no idea where this is going. They do whatever they want. Hang on !
I get the impression that T'Pring is a Princess. She sure does Princess around with jewelry and makeup and that Qing Princess air about her. Spock's marriage may have politics behind it. It's also possible he is permitted more than one wife. It's equally possible there are parts of Vulcan culture which practice polyandry or multiple husbands. why waste a good man on pon farr without a mate?
Ever notice how this Chapel resembles Amanda? Since all continuity seems to be out the door we have no idea where this is going. They do whatever they want. Hang on !
Actually that is the problem but I say this on a technical scale that going fill Spock/Chapel would deviate too much from canon because canon made it clear that the feelings were never returned on Spock's part. I may personally admit, I am not the biggest praise of this cast in terms of acting like most streaming shows as I find Peck quite limited as an actor and from the last episode Chapel comes on to him too strong, I think she is taking advantage because she is meant to be a friend, not a girl friend.
She wants spock to be more human because she sees that as a path for a way to return her feelings, as someone said on reddit, that if this was classic smart tre, Spock would have found that offensive but since this is NU trek with Cowboy and Aliens writing, he acts emo. Spock is about balance not choosing between vulcan and human, so Chapel does not even get him. Michael got him more in Discovery season 2.
It may be better in the long run if they just keep it more as a chase until Roger Korby appears, spock and chapel may be a dynamic that is all built up but when they do get together it becomes awkward and the spark is gone, which in general are not for really cool for love stories that are not equal in feelings. Chapel is in love and Spock is curious and aware about it, the writers need to write that here in a way that will explain TOS in the end, however i will not trust the writers either since the romance in discovery is mixed but oh boy, I saw this episode again and I feel the writers are writing Chapel too over the top but at the same time, from the looks she gives him when she thought Spock would kiss her and she didnt, I quickly though of that episode in TOS that she uses a love portion on him.
Chapel is obsessed here with Spock and in a short amount of time to become obsessed, especially when the show prided itself that, this wont be the case in Chapel, but come on, the girl wanted to burst into tears because she did not get that kiss and that is making her the worst written female on the show, although I would say Uhura is my personal least favourite.
Considering star trek does mutiple time travel tales, they change the past in some, although in SNW they cant change the past.
For a split second, I thought it was rude that Spock didn't say "Live long and prosper" back to Hemmer. And then I was like, "Ohhh yeah...that would just be cruel if he did say it."
Spock and Hammer NOT friendship is a missed opportunity. In episode 2 it felt as if they could be close friends since Spkck knew a lot about Hammer. They could have been like Data and Geordi from TNG but because this is NU Trek, the writing is still pretty generic so they forgot about spock and hammer been friends. fast forward episode 9, we are meant to get emotional about Spock loosing Hammer when they have not spoken since the second episode.
I am watching and reading the reviews of this episode of 9 and the critics are the same, this show is morphing into discovery 2.0 in terms of bad writing and stereotypical characters.
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Remorse on having to kill a species that just killed two crewman in cold blood and infected a third with eggs. That would have been welcome for you. Alsi the assailants are adults at the end and it only took minutes for them to reach maturity.
The adolescent Gorn basically ate a full sized freshly promoted Lieutenant. I’d say they were good for food.
Good thing First Contact already changed the timeline for them
There was a time to mourn.
At the time, it was not the time.
No - I just disagree with your premise that it's a "soft reboot". It's not - it's Star Trek (Prime Universe and all that entails).
When Paramount hires you to serve as the executive producer and overall head honcho of all Star Trek productions, you get to make that decision. Until then, potential continuity issues get decided by Alex Kurtzman and the people he hires.
I don't particularly see that there's necessary any conflict between the SNW Gorn and the TOS Gorn. It's entirely possible that the Gorn in "Arena" was an elderly person less physically agile than the children we saw in this episode. There IS a potential issue insofar as the Kelvin films established Gorn pregnancies, which seems to contradict this episode -- but there's the possibility of multiple species of Gorn.
"Insultingly?" Oh come on dude. Making artistic choices you disagree with is not an attack or an insult. They're not making different choices at you.
Seems pretty obvious to me: Spock doesn't know how to handle his rage. Christine sees that he is in pain and is refusing to accept himself for who he is, and she wants to comfort him and hopes he'll accept himself. They both are realizing they have feelings for each other and that this is an emotionally dangerous situation that can cause Spock, Christine, and T'Pring a great deal of pain if they act on that attraction.
That's a really creepy way of putting it. And who "needs" her affection? There was a guy who wanted a relationship with her when she did not want a relationship with him; that's not the same thing.
That's possible, yeah. It would explain the seeming contradiction between Gorn who reproduce via pregnancy in the Kelvin Timeline and these Gorn.
In his very second appearance, "Where No Man Has Gone Before," Spock urged Kirk to kill Gary Mitchell long before Mitchell had become violent or demonstrated violent intent.
Spock has always had a ruthless streak to him.
Agreed.
Maybe. But all the indications we have are that the Vulcan culture Spock considers himself beholden to practices monogamy. And there's no evidence T'Pring is a "princess."
No.
I think sticking to canon is a bad idea if it inhibits good storytelling for the sake of staying consistent with bad ideas from 60 years ago.
Also, let's be real here -- Spock is the kind of guy who might well just become completely emotionally withdrawn from someone if they date and then the relationship fails. I don't necessarily think there's a continuity issue with Spock and Christine dating and then Spock treating her like they were never even friends after they break up. That's a thing people do sometimes.
"Taking advantage?" What?
.... that's your idea of too over-the-top?
I don't think she thought Spock would kiss her. I think they both realized that they were physically too close for platonic friends and that they were experiencing attraction but were afraid to act on it. Then Spock left the room and Christine got upset about being in this situation of having feelings for a man who is taken.
What episode are you talking about?
"Female," huh.
What?
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^^^
If that's you rational for saying Star Trek wasn't derivative of Forbidden Planet, then exactly what in this episode is derivative of either Alien, Aliens or Predator?
It's not derivative of Alien or Aliens as:
- The Gorn embryos are not implantet via a 'Face-Hugger'.
- The ship is crashed on a Planet and not a Moon.
- The Planet is not named LV-426 or LV-223,
It's not Derivative of Predator as:
- The Gorn 'children' are not using technological alien weapons to hunt the Humans.
- The Hunt isn't occurring in a hot jungle local.
So yeah, by that logic, this ISN'T a derivative episode of Star Trek at all.
It's derivative of Aliens . Let's just admit it. It even had newt.
The Vulcans are so ruthless they even named a method for breaking an opponent's neck that was clean, efficient and left little trauma. Spock having a half-human side only makes his own violent tendencies more aggressive when expressed.
Oh my god, you're right! With TOS pacing, we would have had eight full minutes of Shatner acting "eggs are hatching in me"!!!
THAT might just be the greatest missed opportunity in the whole damn franchise.
That is a great fix. Let's hope the writers have the good sense to use it themselves.
It is such an odd aspect of this era of Trek that if Hemmer were to be resurrected, it would literally be the third time they had to bring a dead character back to life because of how bad it looked for that particular character to be dead -- but no one making the show realized it until waaaaaaay late. How many times do you need to learn that lesson?
It is interesting that in T'Pring's justification of her actions in "Amok Time," she says that even if Spock won the fight but did not divorce her, he would be away in space somewhere while she would have his land and titles... and still have Stonn.
It would actually be TAS, not TOS. "Mudd's Passion."
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