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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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On the front of La'an's arc from here, I say:

Next season the Enterprise gets "officially" dispatched for its first 5-year mission in unexplored space outside of quick Federation contact. (Sort where Kirk was. Orders from Starfleet often took time to make the circuit, Kirk talking about sending off the log bouy) while out there they run into an unknown distressed ship or signal from a planet, respond to it, find La'an on the final leg of her journey, Pike and co. Help her finish, she rejoins the crew.
 
I loved Memento Mori, but not a huge fan of this episode. I'm not really into horror; also, the pacing was off at times. The two redshirts were DOA, so little suspense for me on that front. (Yes, it was also a distraction from the fact they were going to kill off a regular, but still.) Maybe if the episode had been longer, they could have made us care a little for the DOA's, and also explore the La'an/ little girl bonding a little more

I actually enjoyed the scnes in the beginning, the light banter/ bonding/ Pike and Spock cleaning up (so NOT TOS canon! Love it!), La'an etc. Speaking of "not canon," I also like how they show female friendship and mutual support, in little touches. Such a little thing, and so not common on most tv shows.

I'm a bit tired of the Spock/ Chapel/ T'Pring triangle. Although it is well-acted. Tbf, I generally dislike love triangle stories. More importantly... and it pains me to say that because Spock is still, overall, one of my favorite Trek characters, plus I actually like T'Pring/ Spock ... AND I've warmed to Ethan's version of the character... So with all that said, Spock is also probably the best explored character overall, which means that in this show, I'd like to see a bit less of him and a bit more of everyone else. Number One has been largely sidelined, and don't get me started on Ortegas! Some might say, Hey, now you know how I felt about the DSC bridge crew! But isn't Ortegas supposed to be main cast? Plus I really find her interesting and would like to get to know her better.

Was sad they killed off Hemmer, both because we hardly got to know him, and also because he's the only alien-alien of note.

All in all, it was so-so for me. I voted 6, which might be a little harsh, Contemplating a 7.
 
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Yistaan said:
The problem with this thing is that unless they're going to ignore TOS Arena entirely, there's not going to be a payoff. The Fed's not going to go to war with the Gorn because it's not in TOS. Unless La'an beams down to the Gorn homeworld herself, unauthorized by the Federation, and slaughters the Gorn council in the style of Vader on Mustafar or something.
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Everything they've done with the Gorn has done nothing but HELP clear up the numerous ridiculous inconsistencies IN TOS - Arena.

In Arena AT THE START OF THE EPISODE:

- The Gorn have enough detailed info to convincingly fake messages from Starfleet bases and personnel.

- The Gorn fake a message getting the 1701 to come to Cestus III and fully fake the personality of Starfleet Commodore Travers SECONDS before Kirk and Co. beam down to find the base destroyed. The impersonation was so well done, Kirk, Spock and McCoy had zero inkling anything was up.
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How did the Gorn manage to get such detailed info; and also why are the Gorn so bloodthirsty? I ask that because if they have all that info and understanding of the Federation and Starfleet to that degree; they would know they could accomplish the removal of the Federation base diplomatically.

Even when first watching Arena always thought McCoy lamenting that "The Federation could be in the wrong.." was bullshit GIVEN the totality of the Gorns actions against the Federation base on Cestus III (which had women and children) - as well as the fact that they lured a main line Federation starship with the specific intention of testing the Federations military/tactical readiness. Spock even asks: "I wonder why he's so insistent our tactical aides beam down..."

So yeah, I've never understood why some fans thought the Gorn were just these innocent mainly pacifist Saurians who only came to battle when their space was invaded? The totality of the Gorn actions in Arena have never supported that conclusion.

And yes, if anything SNW is showing how the Gorn obtained such detailed info on Starfleet and the Federation and even why the Gorn did what they did the way they did in Arena. The only question remaining is: Why aren't 'The Gorn' more widely known among Starfleet personnel?

But really, is that any worse than what happened with The Borg in the TNG era? <--- And I say that because with all the info we know know the Federation had on the Borg before Picard first encountered them in TNG S2 Q-Who (Hell, Guinan's people had known about them for over a century and El Alurians are serving aboard Federation starships, but the Fed's have NOTHING on the Borg until Picard and Co. get thrown into them by Q?:wtf::shrug::rommie:
 
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They should have had the twist at the end by having the girl birth Gorn when they were back on the Enterprise. Then have episode 10 deal with that.
 
thribs said:
They should have had the twist at the end by having the girl birth Gorn when they were back on the Enterprise. Then have episode 10 deal with that.
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That would have been too much like the start of AVP Requiem and we know how that went ;)
 
fireproof78 said:
What's a demodog? (sp?) Some kind of futuristic hot dog?
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Yistaan said:
It's not consistent with any past Gorn depiction. Their biology was literally altered to turn them into the horror movie aliens from Alien.

Gorn have male and female genders in Lower Decks and have wedding ceremonies. In Star Trek Into Darkness, McCoy even mentions performing a caesarian section on a pregnant Gorn female and handling baby Gorn, no mention of him being infected with eggs or the babies killing him or anyone else. And yes, the latter example is Kelvin timeline but I doubt Nero's timeline change can alter an entire species' biology.
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There is no mention of the sex of the Gorn McCoy does a C-Section on. Your making an assumption.

And nothing in either show is something that couldn't actually be valid.

Gorn use living host to gestate their offspring. Can they also do this with members of their own species? Seems like something that could happen.

If you are trying to help the victim survive, or even help the Gorn race find another way besides using unwilling sentient victims for this process. Having a physician do an early C-Section style delivery would seem to be an ideal way to prevent the death of the host (if the ripping out of the host body is the factor that causes death).

McCoy birth had multiples? That works, they are violent to some degree at birth, that works. But in a proper controlled, and with a known race that you have information on, it seems like the best option.

So how is that inconsistent with what we know outside of the fact that its just two different methods (much in the same way that a live natural birth is different from a C-Section for today.

On Lower Decks we see a wedding, with what humans would equate gender roles. But is that a true representation of their over all society or are these outliers adopting to a different cultures cultures? Simply seeing one and making the assumption that all are the similar isn't generally the most accurate way to assess a society.
 
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Well Hemmer was a twist I didn't see coming! RIP. Unfortunately since he, La'an, and Ortegas are the only ones not in The Menagerie or TOS and thus the only ones the show can kill since they played so heavily into fanservice, well, I'd be a little worried for future job security if I was Ortegas or La'an's actors:shrug:

He was my fav of the new characters but as only recurring vs the others being regulars I suppose it makes sense. I'm also betting that they are making way for Scotty, although little strange that hasn't leaked.

Sure, La'an left, but it seems like a TV leaving. I suspect she'll be back pretty quickly.

This being the hyped horror episode I was expecting a bit more, all the talk about how scary and how far they took it. It was fine, but it wasn't anything special horror wise. You lose a lot of tension in a horror story when the audience already knows most of the characters survive. And it all being references to Alien/Predator was, again, fine, but nothing special.

I get it was cheaper just to re-use the Connie model and call it a different class made with the same parts but still disappointing we didn't get a different ship. Although then they couldn't have used the shot in all the trailers making people wonder if it's the E.

Still not a fan with Spock's path. Speedrunning his path in TOS/the movies in SNW seems like a bad choice when they could have been doing the opposite.

Overall it was fine. And Hemmer obviously played into both Pike and Spocks future choices, setting the example for them, but just not the heights of earlier episodes.
 
A 10.

It was an 8 for me until Hemmer's death and Funeral. <-- BOTH were well done.

A lot of nice character moments and honestly I like they they show humans actually being afraid (never really saw that in TNG era Berman Trek to the degree they did here, to the point they were sniping at each other because they were afraid to die.)

And yes, it was Aliens meets Predator is Star Trek -- but Star trek barrowing premises and tropes from other genre mainstays is NOTHING new for Star Trek. In the end it's how the execution plays out, and the execution was well done here.

SNW has had the absolute best and most consistent/enjoyable first season since TOS Season 1 (IMO).

Sad we only have one episode left and then another year or so until we get the next 10 episodes

I really hope they announce and start production on SNW Season 3 before Season 2 airs. :)
 
Markonian said:
There better be a good reason they killed off their one disabled character.
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All Aenar are blind, and compensate with psi. Hemmer wasn't disabled except according to your own prejudices. And why should having different sensory organs constitute AA special plot armor?

Disclaimer: He was my favorite character. I am terribly bummed to see him go- but not because he was blind, but because he was cool as fuck.
 
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