Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"
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They know what they did.
I haven’t caught up with this show since episode 6, but now I know Hemmer dies I might not bother. My favourite character. 
The writers will need to do something about the in show character anger and general fanbase backlash Hemmer’s death brings surely?I haven’t caught up with this show since episode 6, but now I know Hemmer dies I might not bother. My favourite character.
Now that’s just ridiculous. Uhura has done more in SNW than in all of TOS and the movies combined. “Hailing frequencies open” sums up her entire TOS career.
I’m glad to see her get so much more to do in this series. I just hope she grows her hair out.
You can think it all you like...
Was there a poll?
During pon farr he also had a knife behind his back while talking to his best friend, threatened to kill the CMO and disobeyed orders by changing course..
Well, these were just babies.
He's Kirk.
Well...he was right.
Did they say it was asexual? I was thinking only one gender had egg spit. Or maybe only the young? It just makes the Gorn captain look very stupid if he could've just spat on Kirk and waited.
Of course he knew.
We may have watched slightly different TOS's...
Well, we hear the birth over a communicator in the Star Trek video game that came out between movies.
The boy who was getting married this morning?
Honestly I like where they're going with the Gorn. A fresh take on an old, classic villain which let's be honest, the rest or Trek has barely even bothered with over the decades.
As for reconciling these little nightmares with the lumbering b-movie lizardman from TOS: I can totally buy them as the same species if we go on the assumption that they're fast, nimble and lethal at birth, but get bigger, and heavier, and smarter with age. That Gorn Captain could have been ancient by his species standards, and so cunning he didn't need to be as bluntly vicious as his subordinates.
As for the sentience of their young: it's worth bearing in mind that sentience isn't a binary state. There's no magic switch that flips to make a person from an animal. It's a gradient, and it looks like the Gorn are spawned in basically an animal state. Probably why the adults have dedicated breeding planets. If they kept their young around their own civilization, it wouldn't be a civilization for very long, so they just wait until an alpha makes it to maturity, scoops them up, and initiate them into whatever hierarchy they have in place.
Of course that begs the question how such a species ever made it out of the stone age in the first place, let alone got warp travel, but that's a story for another time (my bet is either someone landed on their world and they pulled a Mirror Universe Cochrane, or someone took them off their world as slaves, but vastly underestimated their intelligence and were overrun.) It also make one wonder what kind of nightmare ecosystem would produce such an insanely lethal and intelligent creature. For them to have evolved intelligence at all probably means their homeworld has (or had) something much nastier and formidable, and intelligence was the only work-around natural selection could manage to preserve their branch of the evolutionary tree.
As for reconciling these little nightmares with the lumbering b-movie lizardman from TOS: I can totally buy them as the same species if we go on the assumption that they're fast, nimble and lethal at birth, but get bigger, and heavier, and smarter with age. That Gorn Captain could have been ancient by his species standards, and so cunning he didn't need to be as bluntly vicious as his subordinates.
As for the sentience of their young: it's worth bearing in mind that sentience isn't a binary state. There's no magic switch that flips to make a person from an animal. It's a gradient, and it looks like the Gorn are spawned in basically an animal state. Probably why the adults have dedicated breeding planets. If they kept their young around their own civilization, it wouldn't be a civilization for very long, so they just wait until an alpha makes it to maturity, scoops them up, and initiate them into whatever hierarchy they have in place.
Of course that begs the question how such a species ever made it out of the stone age in the first place, let alone got warp travel, but that's a story for another time (my bet is either someone landed on their world and they pulled a Mirror Universe Cochrane, or someone took them off their world as slaves, but vastly underestimated their intelligence and were overrun.) It also make one wonder what kind of nightmare ecosystem would produce such an insanely lethal and intelligent creature. For them to have evolved intelligence at all probably means their homeworld has (or had) something much nastier and formidable, and intelligence was the only work-around natural selection could manage to preserve their branch of the evolutionary tree.
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No, but after a certain point, it's time to call a spade a spade. I got half-way there during the first two seasons of DSC, when I thought of it as a Visual Reboot. Now I'm all the way there in SNW's case, thinking of it as an out-and-out Soft Reboot.
Most people in these threads are just going with it. The Canonheads who still either can't or won't put two-and-two together are in the minority. I think they don't just so they can keep these arguments going that everyone else is sick of. You can point out all day things from SNW that don't look like they naturally line up with TOS. But it doesn't matter, because I don't really care.
Do I see this as a natural prequel to a 1960s show? "Not only no, but Hell No!" Do I still enjoy it as something that's a spin-off of DSC and developing characters from "The Cage" and TOS who never got the limelight or enough of the lmelight? Definitely.
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I do have a bone to pick with that ending if it had been anyone but hemmer i would have bought it but the fact that hemmer is an Anear and those guys basically live and adapted to a moon with very cold temperatures. He couldn't have just hid the snow and and killed the Gorn embryo with the cold? surly the lizard would have died before he did
y'know, it was super serious moment and when i realized what was happening i was shocked. but it dragged on long enough that i totally yelled a Bender quote at the screen
i'm sure that when they find him alive that's what they'll go with for the explanation
Wow. It just occurred to me that you can kill Gorn with a fire extinguisher. They're like Primords that way.
Sam Kirk as both Bones and Hudson is hilarious. I kept waiting for him to say, "Game over, Chris! Game over!"
In "Arena", it was Kirk who was trying to impregnate the Gorn.
In "Arena", it was Kirk who was trying to impregnate the Gorn.
The Host body for a particular Gorn Brood would probably be the deciding factor.
Since we don't know anything about the Alien the Gorn babies came out of in this episode, it's entirely possible that It really wasn't a compatible host.
For all we know, if these babies had been born on a Gorn Hatchery planet, they may all have been euthanized right away for being too agressive.
Well just watched the episode. I liked the parts on the ship at the beginning. I liked when they first found the enterprise. Then it basically became a poor copy of Aliens. I mean we even get a newt copy cat. So do the gorn become slow and more humanoid as they get older? La,Anna's been talking about the gorn and their eggs for a couple of eps like she knew everything about them but didn't know about how the eggs were implanted? Also we lost hemmer already. I hope the new engineer isn't scotty. This was my least favorite episode to date. Also it's becoming quite clear that this show cannot be aligned with TOS and they are looking to reboot TOS after this most likely. That or these guys really suck at keeping canon straight.
Still waiting to hear that egregious canon violation that makes it so clear these writers are bad at it...
Hated it. I've seen Alien, Aliens and Predator a hundred times. Not interested in seeing pale knockoffs.
I rated it a 2.
ETA, 2 not 1 as I originally said.
I rated it a 2.
ETA, 2 not 1 as I originally said.
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The Gorn in SNW feels very much like an Octavia Bulter take. Her work took the view that aliens would dominate and enslave us rather than us building a great federation. So, that I like.
I'd rather it be a new, unseen race.
Check out Butler's short story "Bloodlines" — my favorite of her shorts.
I'd rather it be a new, unseen race.
Check out Butler's short story "Bloodlines" — my favorite of her shorts.
Curious what species "Buckley" belongs to. They look an interesting sort.
I genuinely felt bad for him as he was succumbing to the Gorn egg spray. You could see the pain he was trying to endure at the end. Kudos to the actor (and the puppeteer controllers?) for conveying those kinds of emotions on the face.
I genuinely felt bad for him as he was succumbing to the Gorn egg spray. You could see the pain he was trying to endure at the end. Kudos to the actor (and the puppeteer controllers?) for conveying those kinds of emotions on the face.