Can I please, once and for all assure you that I have no problem whatsoever with gay/lesbian/trans people ... I am sick and tired of all those accusations! It's the representation I don't agree with, and not the actual people! Everyone who does not understand that may leave me alone!
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"
- Thread starter Commander Richard
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So you're fine with LGBTQ people existing, you just never want to see them?
Which part of "leave me alone" did you not understand?
IIRC, he pretty much was that at first. A reoccurring character. Later bumped up to regular. Like I said some characters get lost in the shuffle. Making Culber the ships counselor gave him more to do. And he had his own "who counsels the counselor" arc.
They had specific roles and arcs in the third season. Which had little to do with their orientation.
If you don't want someone to respond to you then you shouldn't be posting on a message board.
Ok cool
I thought this was a fun episode. A little weird that SNW has gone all-in on Spock/T’Pring/Chapel, but I’m liking it in spite of myself. This may have been the most TOS-feeling episode of the season thus far. The villain was campy and ridiculous but also commanded your attention in every scene. It was a little weird that Pike convinced the Orion thug to let him cook dinner, but whatever. I think there were some tonal oddities to the way the story unfolded. It also felt a little like the beginning of Star Trek Beyond with the ship being lured out of range from Starfleet help so it could be ambushed.
Sybok is one of my favorite Trek antagonists, so I’m hoping they pick that one up!
As usual, it was entertaining and well-made. 7/10
I thought this was a fun episode. A little weird that SNW has gone all-in on Spock/T’Pring/Chapel, but I’m liking it in spite of myself. This may have been the most TOS-feeling episode of the season thus far. The villain was campy and ridiculous but also commanded your attention in every scene. It was a little weird that Pike convinced the Orion thug to let him cook dinner, but whatever. I think there were some tonal oddities to the way the story unfolded. It also felt a little like the beginning of Star Trek Beyond with the ship being lured out of range from Starfleet help so it could be ambushed.
Sybok is one of my favorite Trek antagonists, so I’m hoping they pick that one up!
As usual, it was entertaining and well-made. 7/10
Problems with Adira and Tal are all writing, not who they are. They suffer because the characters routinely get sidelined. They're disappointing due to the production team, not the non-binary actors who play them.
I think he was a regular from the beginning, but he had very little to do. Even as a counselor he was barely there. He feels more like window dressing, but that goes for all the characters on Discovery ... except for Burnham of course.
The show would have done well without them, their characters were completely useless in-universe.
I'm more annoyed they wrote Grey out of the show immediately after he got a body and could interact with the crew. But I assume that had something to do with the season being produced during the pandemic which limited how long some of the cast could film and how they could be filmed.
I understand that it's humorously ironic that a guy that nicknamed himself "White Bear" has so many issues with LGBTQ people.
Was there some announcement I missed? Last I heard Adria was non-binary and Tal was trans, same as the actors.
Still not clear what's objectional about the "representation". They're presented as normal people. Well as normal as human with symbiont and ghost in a machine can be.
Hey! Some of my best friends are symbionts!Still not clear what's objectional about the "representation". They're presented as normal people. Well as normal as human with symbiont and ghost in a machine can be.
I understand that it's humorously ironic that a guy that nicknamed himself "White Bear" has so many issues with LGBTQ people.
I don't see the irony, my wife gave me the name ... it's her native language
Stipulating for the moment that they were completely useless (which I don't agree with, though I did find Grey's lack of direction after being made tangible again disappointing), Trek series have been replete with "completely useless" cisgender straight white male characters since the start, and yet you and others of your ilk don't raise any objections to that or call it a woke agenda or hammering something into your heads. Why do LGBTQ people, and people of color, and women draw that kind of ire? I wonder what it could be? Could it be... BIGOTRY!?
You couldn't...
And here we go again: Queer characters need specific narrative purpose to justify their existence as characters, otherwise their inclusion is narratively illegitimate.
To us, that is not a valid reason to exclude us.
Or erase us from the narrative.
I'm sure a lot of people felt Uhura was just token symbolism during the Civil Rights Movement and she was just there to look whatever the late '60s equivalent of being "woke" was. Does she do anything important? Then why have her?
I don't think the actor was listed in the opening credits. So he wasn't a regular. Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly, Tyler and Lorca were the starring characters.
I'm not even sure what that means. A characters "usefulness" is plot driven not dependent on their "job".
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