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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

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Can I please, once and for all assure you that I have no problem whatsoever with gay/lesbian/trans people ... I am sick and tired of all those accusations! It's the representation I don't agree with, and not the actual people! Everyone who does not understand that may leave me alone!
 
Oso Blanco said:
Can I please, once and for all assure you that I have no problem whatsoever with gay/lesbian/trans people ... I am sick and tired of all those accusations! It's the representation I don't agree with, and not the actual people! Everyone who does not understand that may leave me alone!
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So you're fine with LGBTQ people existing, you just never want to see them?
 
Oso Blanco said:
I'm not a writer ... let Stamets and Culber take a bigger part, they have barely been visible in the last two seasons! Especially Culber, he feels like a rare guest star instead of a regular.
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IIRC, he pretty much was that at first. A reoccurring character. Later bumped up to regular. Like I said some characters get lost in the shuffle. Making Culber the ships counselor gave him more to do. And he had his own "who counsels the counselor" arc.

Oso Blanco said:
Adira and Tal, on the other hand ... I don't know why they were there to begin with. Representation, I guess ... which is exactly my complaint. They were not there because the story demanded it, they were just there to make a statement!
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They had specific roles and arcs in the third season. Which had little to do with their orientation.
 
Ok cool

I thought this was a fun episode. A little weird that SNW has gone all-in on Spock/T’Pring/Chapel, but I’m liking it in spite of myself. This may have been the most TOS-feeling episode of the season thus far. The villain was campy and ridiculous but also commanded your attention in every scene. It was a little weird that Pike convinced the Orion thug to let him cook dinner, but whatever. I think there were some tonal oddities to the way the story unfolded. It also felt a little like the beginning of Star Trek Beyond with the ship being lured out of range from Starfleet help so it could be ambushed.

Sybok is one of my favorite Trek antagonists, so I’m hoping they pick that one up!

As usual, it was entertaining and well-made. 7/10
 
Problems with Adira and Tal are all writing, not who they are. They suffer because the characters routinely get sidelined. They're disappointing due to the production team, not the non-binary actors who play them.
 
Nerys Myk said:
IIRC, he pretty much was that at first. A reoccurring character. Later bumped up to regular. Like I said some characters get lost in the shuffle. Making Culber the ships counselor gave him more to do. And he had his own "who counsels the counselor" arc.
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I think he was a regular from the beginning, but he had very little to do. Even as a counselor he was barely there. He feels more like window dressing, but that goes for all the characters on Discovery ... except for Burnham of course.

Nerys Myk said:
They had specific roles and arcs in the third season. Which had little to do with their orientation.
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The show would have done well without them, their characters were completely useless in-universe.
 
cooleddie74 said:
Problems with Adira and Tal are all writing, not who they are. They suffer because the characters routinely get sidelined. They're disappointing due to the production team, not the trans actors who play them.
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Was there some announcement I missed? Last I heard Adria was non-binary and Tal was trans, same as the actors.
 
Oso Blanco said:
The show would have done well without them, their characters were completely useless in-universe.
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Stipulating for the moment that they were completely useless (which I don't agree with, though I did find Grey's lack of direction after being made tangible again disappointing), Trek series have been replete with "completely useless" cisgender straight white male characters since the start, and yet you and others of your ilk don't raise any objections to that or call it a woke agenda or hammering something into your heads. Why do LGBTQ people, and people of color, and women draw that kind of ire? I wonder what it could be? Could it be... BIGOTRY!?
 
Oso Blanco said:
I think he was a regular from the beginning, but he had very little to do. Even as a counselor he was barely there. He feels more like window dressing, but that goes for all the characters on Discovery ... except for Burnham of course.



The show would have done well without them, their characters were completely useless in-universe.
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And here we go again: Queer characters need specific narrative purpose to justify their existence as characters, otherwise their inclusion is narratively illegitimate.

To us, that is not a valid reason to exclude us.
Or erase us from the narrative.
 
Oso Blanco said:
I think he was a regular from the beginning, but he had very little to do. Even as a counselor he was barely there. He feels more like window dressing, but that goes for all the characters on Discovery ... except for Burnham of course.
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I don't think the actor was listed in the opening credits. So he wasn't a regular. Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly, Tyler and Lorca were the starring characters.
Oso Blanco said:
The show would have done well without them, their characters were completely useless in-universe.
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I'm not even sure what that means. A characters "usefulness" is plot driven not dependent on their "job".
 
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