Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

DaveyNY and Sci, CUT THE CRAP! Take this bitching to PM, please.

 

[Mudd]

I don't know if @Lonemagpie has linked his review here, but it's a good 9ne and includes a reference to pantropy that I appreciated having brought to my attention.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

There's some pretty egregious dummy work in the T. Baker run of Doctor Who I'm watching. Bodies in rubble type stuff.

Nerva Beacon is calling....

 

[Jayson1]

Count me as someone who noticed the dummy but it actually made me laugh more than anything else. Feels like something they would have done on TOS. I wonder if we will next see a fist fight were we can clearly see it isn't the actors fighting but the stunt doubles.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Count me as someone who noticed the dummy but it actually made me laugh more than anything else. Feels like something they would have done on TOS. I wonder if we will next see a fist fight were we can clearly see it isn't the actors fighting but the stunt doubles.

I think we saw that in the Una v La'an fight.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Not really. Based on your standards, technically, the NX class ship should not exist, based on TMP.

Does it really matter? Archer ignored the XCV-330 Enterprise on his wall. Even though it appears on the wall of the 602 Club in his time.

Trek always forgets some of the important Enterprises. The TNG observation room wall was missing two aircraft carriers, the ringship and the NX-01.

I think the idea there is that only Federation history matters. And ships like the NX-01 predate Federation history. The goal is to promote some type of Federation pan-nationalism, and focusing on vessels that predate the Federation distract from that.

You can't make any consistency because there are too many cooks in the kitchen messing with the StarDate increments.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Stardate

The only consistentency is that the First 3 Digits Left of the Decimal Point seems to indicate which 'Day of the Year' AKA "Star Day"

Any Digits Left of the First 3 Digits past the Decimal Point indicates the Star Year.

But the Star year getting bunched up with the Star Date is hard to read and pronouncing it is a PITA (Pain In The Arse).

Look at DISCO's StarDate 3190 AD = 865 783.7
Look at VOY's __ StarDate 2379 AD = _ 56 947.0

3190 AD - 2379 AD = 811 Year difference
StarYear 865-56 = 809 Year difference.

You can argue that Leap Year is screwing with things, but to be off by 2 years because of leap years in 800+ year time frame? I find that hard to believe.

As for readibility, it's a Cluster Eff of digit soup.
In my Head Canon, the ISO StarDate Version is updated to 5.0 to account for the differences that I introduce.

±S.Y / SDU ¦ STU = (±Star Year / Star Day Unit ¦ Star Time Unit)
The “/” is described as “Slash” & “¦” is described as “Bar” which is short hand for (Vertical Broken Bar)

I set the Starting Point for 0 of the StarDate to be:
Earth Date = 2155/03-05 Wed 00:00;00.0 PST = Founding of Coalition of Planets

The UFP formed from Jonathon Archer's founding of the "Coalition of Planets" and the day it was signed into existence.

Ergo, my Star Year can have ± to indicate Before or After the "Official Starting Point" that led to the Founding of the UFP, the signing of the "Coalition of Planets".
+ = After Federation: After the UFP was formed/founded
- = Before Federation: Before the UFP was formed/founded

If that works for you.

I’d prefer to think that the Stardate system came about when the Federation was formed as a comprised from the founding members when recording dates. As the human, Vulcan, Andorian and Tellarite calendars - and all of their colonies - are all different from one another.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Ready Room writers probably don't have any insider knowledge from the show writers, but they did say the Illyrian's first on screen appearance was in Enterprise showing clips from the episode.

Also this week's trivia question was when the Eugenics Wars ended and they put 1996 as the answer.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Also, makeup tests for The Cage back in the mid 60s had her look pretty alien.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/birdofthegalaxy/4235980676

That makeup test wasn't for Number One. They were just using Majel to test the makeup that would eventually use on Susan Oliver as the Orion Slave in Pike's fantasy strip joint.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I still think she should have stayed where she was. The idea of a lockdown is to stop people interacting with each other

They're called orders, Maverick.

 

[Rainard Fox]

Beyond was almost nothing like the first 2 films, and it was a really damn fine trek movie.

JJ had really nothing to do with it only sharing a producer role because it was his production company. He left the movie to the writers and director.

Hmm, you must have sold me the third Kelvinverse movie...

 

[gweeps]

Best episode so far.

Interesting that Una is the one who's genetically modified.

 

[BigJake]

Hmm, you must have sold me the third Kelvinverse movie...

Honestly, Beyond was the movie that won me over to NuTrek in general and that gave me faith that the new generation of creators would "get" Trek (even if they weren't doing it the way my fanfics would do it). Between that movie and the first season of DSC (and all the shows since), I've been far more at peace with and gotten far more enjoyment out of NuTrek than I ever thought I would in my "hater" days (I have never been fond of the first two reboot films, STID especially).

I've never looked back. SNW is just the icing on the cake for me, b/c I've also always been curious about what a Captain Pike show would look like, and this is an amazing take on the concept.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Hmm, you must have sold me the third Kelvinverse movie...

Give it a spin. I think it's a great movie and I don't think many Star Trek movies are great. I really need to catch it again before it goes off Netflix for me.

 

[Uhura's Song]

I for one, liked it a lot.

9.

Not perfect. Had some holes.

Hard for me to believe Starfleet could not determine Una was an augment/Illyrian. Seems like they knew & covered it up, hence all the classification of the files.

Ditto Khan. Could it not be true that the things ye did during TWOK are considered massacres? I kean, he did massacre the folks on the science station, right?

I thought the moral about not trying to change yourself to mold to the "norm" was powerful and right on the money.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Just watched this episode. Best so far I thought. I really like Hemmer a lot.

I'm still not 100% won over, but I do think this is a good show. A good show on it's own terms. It's Star Trek I could watch with my wife without having to explain what a million callbacks mean.

 

[dswynne1]

Yeah, I physically cringed when I saw that. It was just a terribly executed shot and so obvious. They could have done without the dummy and the slow mo.

Not sure, but I thought that this obvious mistake was the best part of the episode, considering the production values of TOS.

 

[dswynne1]

Do you know how OP that power would be?

To turn anybody you want into a fluffy plush doll?

I think LDs actually addressed this in one of their episodes...

 

[NCC-73515]

It's a West African accent it seems but I don't have too much trouble following what his character says.

It's not that much about the accent but about the hoarseness, like he has a bad cold

In a way they went in the opposite direction of noncorporeal life-forms like the Organians. They evolved into beings of energy. The Illyrians devolved and lost their bodies by pure accident.

How can removing genetic upgrades turn you into an energy being? The ultimate upgrade? You get the best upgrade when you downgrade?

Rated 7.

Who or what were those storm aliens were never revealed. Neither they had any substantial contribution to the plot. Yes, they saved Pike and Spock, but that entire sequence could have beem removed without impacting the story. I don't like such loose ends which seem to exist just for effect.

They were more interesting than other parts of the story, but left without further details - maybe another episode tells us more about them

I still think she should have stayed where she was. The idea of a lockdown is to stop people interacting with each other

During our own lockdown, people were still allowed and supposed to go to work and back home if their work was considered essential, like bridge duty

I wish that search site someone made for it still existed.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:chakoteya.net+engage
Replace engage with whatever you're looking for

 

[Kzinti]

Also this week's trivia question was when the Eugenics Wars ended and they put 1996 as the answer.

they shouldn't have done that

 

[Chakoteya]

Well, that sucks. Why aren't they available?

No one in the UK is broadcasting them. And my pension doesn't stretch to streaming subscriptions.