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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x08 – “The Life of the Stars”

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That's not really my favorite TOS episode. But, giving a general Shakespeare vibe is a lot different than dredging a classic but not overly well known play (today at least) for its core meaning. We got some strange acting theater class thing with an annoying Tilly. And I'm not a Tilly hater.
Not overly well known? It's a classic that's performed in High Schools and community theatres annually. It was revived on Broadway just two years ago. There's literally a performance of the show opening tomorrow at a theatre near me.

"Theatre" was just a cover for what the class was really about.
 
I had also never heard of the play before but a lot of this episode reminded me of people no longer in my life. I did a theatre degree and it brought back a lot of old memories of people that I lost touch with a decade ago. A reminder to treasure moments when you have a close friendship group like that because one day that can all just go away. The Doctor's portion was very relatable, sometimes after long periods of disappointment and loneliness it can feel so much safer to insulate and not seek out anyone for friendships or more because it can be easier to live with loneliness than loss.

The cadets from that Academy episode of DISCO?
That would make this 3193 now and the first few episodes set in 3192. Since the Academy reponed in Discovery season 4 which was 3190.
 
Not overly well known? It's a classic that's performed in High Schools and community theatres annually. It was revived on Broadway just two years ago. There's literally a performance of the show opening tomorrow at a theatre near me.

"Theatre" was just a cover for what the class was really about.
While I love theatre I had not heard of the play either.
 
All the characters left their personalities behind to speak in the generic MFA/English Lit course voice. Not a single person felt like they were actually themselves, including the EMH. Everyone just flattened into a single dopey "trauma processing" voice.
Did we watch different episodes?
They very much were still acting like themselves, just depressed because of the events.
 
Really boring. Somewhat pretentious writing style harking back to, of course, some kind of modern day play I’ve never heard of.

Put them back on the damned ship and do some proper adventure.

Even Bob Picard couldn’t save this one. What a waste off his talents.
Modern day? The play came out in the 1930's I am 55 and we had to do it when I was in school and it was really old even then
 
I remember that production! I think that was my first exposure to Holbrook as an actor. (Then later I saw the older Hollywood version with the make-the-audience-feel-better ending.).

I definitely had both literature and art required classes in college, but that was the mid/late eighties, so I imagine things have devolved changed since then.
I was late seventies/early eighties, and the humanities were very much part of general university requirements.
 
Somehow that scene of Genesis being there for Tarima when she comes home drunk touches me on a deep level. It strikes me as a very real and grounded experience young people at that age can have. I know I certainly did. Not even necessarily the drunk part of it, but the emotional breakdown with a friend around aspect.
I like that the scene also put a lid on the whole Caleb/Tarima/Genesis triangle and subverted the expectations that the girls were going to compete for Caleb. I think it's obvious that Genesis does have feelings for Caleb, but she makes it clear that it's far more important to have a friendship with Tarima and maintain a friendship with Caleb. Any other YA show would have had them being catty and smack talking to each other. Genesis is a very empathetic character and her penchant for recognising outcasts or people who feel that way and befriending them, is her defining trait and I love it.
 
I like that the scene also put a lid on the whole Caleb/Tarima/Genesis triangle and subverted the expectations that the girls were going to compete for Caleb. I think it's obvious that Genesis does have feelings for Caleb, but she makes it clear that it's far more important to have a friendship with Tarima and maintain a friendship with Caleb. Any other YA show would have had them being catty and smack talking to each other. Genesis is a very empathetic character and her penchant for recognising outcasts or people who feel that way and befriending them, is her defining trait and I love it.
Definitely liked Genesis’ empathetic reaction in that scene as well. That said, I think with Tarima they actually did went a bit in that direction you’re describing. For whatever reason they wrote her as vaguely jealous of Genesis, even though they didn’t show her witnessing anything that should let her think there was something between them. I mean, it’s easy enough to imagine that Tarima just picked up on Caleb and Genesis having become closer while she was away, but the episode itself didn’t give us any reason for Tarima’s jealousy. Or was the implication that she read Caleb’s mind, what with that whole line about her being a “mind-reader”?

Either way, I’m not as confident as you are that they won’t eventually go the love triangle route. Establishing Tarima and Genesis as friends would make them both vying for the same guy even more dramatic. Although, as someone mentioned in this thread somewhere, there was a certain chemistry between the women as well. So who knows, maybe they’ll subvert the convention that way?
 
My only prior exposure to Our Town was an episode of a sitcom, The Wonder Years, I think. I was a kid at the time and I may be misremembering. I guess I could look it up on the internet as to whether there was an episode of that show about that play, but someone else probably will. Sometimes I like to live in the ambiguity of memory.
 
There's a LOT about this episode that simply does not work for me and just downright bothers me.

First, Tarima getting transferred out of the War College makes no sense. And without consulting her and asking if this is something she even wants to do. They do it for her 'safety', but they have forgotten that once they graduate, it doesn't matter if they are in medical, engineering, science, etc... battles and situations where potentially using her abilities will be necessary can and do happen. If they were really serious about this being an endangerment to her life, they would have simply taken her out of the War College and Academy entirely. (For a real world comparison: in basketball, Chris Bosh from the Miami Heat was taken out from regular playing permanently due to a blood clotting condition that was considered life threatening.)

Second, Ake had no business calling in a shrink session for the cadets. They were not doing anything dangerous or harmful to themselves or each other. They simply weren't working as a team as well as they used to. While there IS precedent for a commanding officer to force shrink sessions to a member of their crew, like in "HARD TIME" when Sisko relieved O'Brien of duty and ordered him to attend daily shrink sessions as long as the shrink thought was needed, that was only done because O'Brien had nearly broken Quark's wrist in public and was very aggressive with and threatened Bashir. He was shown to be a potential danger to others and himself. There certainly wasn't enough reason to mandate a shrink session for these cadets. Ake overstepped her bounds here.

Third, Tilly... I find her annoying most of the time. She had her moments in DISCO, mostly near the beginning of the series, but she got more annoying as the series progressed. And Tilly was at her MOST annoying in this episode. She was also rather out of character. It was definitely out of nowhere that she has this huge love of theater, when there was not a single mention of it in DISCO (as far as I recall). Now, maybe she gained a love of it after she left Discovery. But this just seemed to come out of left field.

Speaking of her use of theater: I have never heard of OUR TOWN nor have any idea whatsoever about it. Frankly, the episode wasn't interesting enough for me to bother looking up the play to see the connections. Using that play felt more like the writers were writing entrely for their fellow writers and actors rather than for the audience. It seemed more like trying to self-congratulate themselves that they were adding something in that holds more meaning to them rather than try to actually write a story with any meaning or depth.

I'm also irritated at Tilly for trying to force these cadets to have this shrink session and talk about their trauma out loud in a group. She had no right to be doing that, and I'm glad Tarima called her out on that. (I do wish that Tarima stuck to her guns at the end instead of acquiescing to this stunt.) Tilly was getting more and more pushy and sassy, and honestly she was not really acting like Tilly at all. She was acting like Burnham: "I know best. I'll talk through you. I don't care what you think. If you don't like it, tough." That level of arrogance and condescension REALLY grates me, and it's one of the multitude of things that bothered me about Burnham, and why she is THE weakest captain in the franchise.

It's also very insulting to think that saying people's trauma out loud works for everyone. It's arrogant and condescending... VERY typical mentality and behavior of shrinks. It's one of the reasons why I don't respect the people in that field.

Tarima was really annoying here. She's obviously mad at being taken out of the War College, but her blaming all the other cadets that they 'look at her like a grenade' is just her projecting. Because we don't really see that with the other cadets. Until she really knows what she wants, she is going to act like a toxic and annoying person. Caleb would do well to just end it with her.

Speaking of Caleb, I am actually surprised he has been less annoying these last two episodes. In fact, Genesis and Tarima BOTH have improved his character and made him look better... last week when he was trying to talk Genesis out of turning on the engines and tried to take the blame entirely for breaking into the bridge, and here with a drunk Tarima, he didn't take advantage of her and did not fire back at her when she was trying to be hurtful to him.

This episode and last week REALLY should have been switched. It would have made better story sense for them to be working on their trauma and issues at that point, especially since a good deal of time has gone by in-universe in both episodes. Except for the quick scene of Tarima getting jealous of Genesis being Caleb's friend, it would have fit in perfectly and MIGHT have improved the episode slightly.

And it seems as though there are less and less cadets in the background with each passing episode. Dropouts? Couldn't cut it and were given the axe? I don't get the sense of this being a large enough group of people to be called 'Starfleet Academy'. There are fewer background people in this show than in any other series previously. Hell, there were more background cadets in TNG's "The First Duty" than we see now here. It may seem like a small detail, but it can help keep the believability factor of that universe intact. (For example, DS9: in season 1, there was a relatively small amount of background humans and aliens. As each season went by and the importance of the station itself grew, so did the amount of background people. That was one of the reasons why DS9 felt like such a real, lived-in world.)

Sam: honestly, I find her to be pretty annoying throughout the series, with the exception of the scenes in episode 5 where she was wondering about her role as an emissary and looking up Sisko. And I do think her scenes in the shuttle talking about the things she wants to experience and right before the Makers started analyzing her were good.

(By the way, that was a pretty quick shuttle trip from Earth to Kasq in the Delta Quadrant. We really need a better look at the 32nd century overall if this show is going to hold any interest for me.)

The VOY references were nice: "BLINK OF AN EYE" is one of THE classic episodes in the franchise. The solution to fixing Sam reminded me of how The Doctor was fixed in "THE SWARM" when the EMH diagnostic program was grafted onto him... essentially TWO sets of lives and memories being merged into one. And "REAL LIFE" was finally given a second shout past its original run.

While I do love Picardo and thought he nailed his scenes very well, I find it hard to believe that what happened in that episode is what stopped him from making connections with other people. Particularly since during VOY's run, he was making those connections and relationships with no problem at all. This felt like the writers just picked the episode without understanding that it was never talked about again, lifting off of the hard work that was done before, and patted themselves on the back for their 'ingenuity', instead of doing the actual work of building a reason for why The Doctor has closed himself off. Considering how many centuries he has been active since then, there is a GOLDMINE of possibilities to explore. Instead, they used the cheap shortcut. And in doing so, shrunk the universe instead of expanding it. AGAIN! (This has been a problem with the Kurtzman era in general.)


The episode just FELT like it was dragging along... I was checking the remaining time while watching, which is NEVER a good sign. The Doctor's scenes were the only things I actually liked about the episode, and it got a point for just that. Which gives this episode a grand total of 1.5... however, since the site does not have half points, this rounds up, unfortunately, to a 2. This episode just actively did so much more that I dislike in general and specifically, that I think this was even worse than "Vitus Reflux", which was the low point of the series.
 
Modern day? The play came out in the 1930's I am 55 and we had to do it when I was in school and it was really old even then
Centuries away from their time anything from the 19th-21st century could count as our modern day :D

I’ve heard about all of these, but never read or seen productions of them. I guess I mostly must have heard about them on US American TV shows and movies. “Our Town” I straight up had never heard about before today, though. We read stuff like Goethe’s “Faust” and “Die Leiden des jungen Werthers” (“The Sorrows of Young Werther“), Berthold Brecht’s “Die Dreigroschenoper” (“The Threepenny Opera”) and Gerhart Hauptmann’s “Die Ratten” (“The Rats”) in school. Then later in advanced English courses we would read mainly Shakespeare.
The only memorable ones we read were The Visit (of the old lady), Romulus the Great, and Over the Wall, which we actually acted out on a stage as well (brief and funny!)

I absolutely had gen-ed requirements in college, but they were along the lines of 2 lit courses, 2 science courses, 1 math course, etc. Nothing related to fine arts in and of itself. Anyway, Tilly's statement made it seem like this was a normal/required part of the course curriculum of third years. Which is...weird? Usually you get those out of the way early, before you pick your concentration. But again, Starfleet holding the fine arts in higher regard than we do is fine - it's nice worldbuilding.

OTOH, the amount of kids in the class (just the six mains plus a few we see in the background) is pretty strange. The class seems to have actually dropped in size since the beginning of the season. Dropouts? Regardless, it really stretches credulity that this is an entire year of cadets - especially since we canonically know that Tilly is working with a cohort of older students already.
It was not a real course, but something she made up for just this group to provide clandestine therapy ;)

One niggle I had with the episode: The conclusion of SAM's plot suggests the reason she was dying is because as a holographic being without a childhood, she didn't have the resilience needed to prosper. Yet the Doctor also didn't have a childhood. And while he's a fucked-up mess, he did muddle through things.

I think this could've been addressed with just a few lines of dialogue between him and Ake. It's a shame it was left unsaid.
He got Zimmerman's personality, which probably included his resilience as well

Two sets of memories but not two personalities. It is not like the Data/Lore situation from Picard.
More like Geordi at the end of Mind's Eye, but much more positive of course :D
I think something similar happened before on DS9 or VOY, where they changed history and then remembered it both ways, but I can't remember which episode that was.

Am I the only one who found the training simulation odd? The cadets seem to fail primarily because they aren't receiving orders, yet the scenario implies that Jett Reno is in command (after all, she's sitting in the chair in the middle) – and she's not playing unconscious. For comparison, in Star Trek II, Saavik is clearly the one expected to give orders in the Kobayashi Maru simulation.
Saavik was already a Lt. and getting command training

Wrong Klingon again: "qlIngghon" and "anatomy" :D
 
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Centuries away from their time anything from the 19th-21st century could count as our modern day :D


The only memorable ones we read were The Visit (of the old lady), Romulus the Great, and Over the Wall, which we actually acted out on a stage as well (brief and funny!)


It was not a real course, but something she made up for just this group to provide clandestine therapy ;)


He got Zimmerman's personality, which probably included his resilience as well


More like Geordi at the end of Mind's Eye, but much more positive of course :D
I think something similar happened before on DS9 or VOY, where they changed history and then remembered it both ways, but I can't remember which episode that was.


Saavik was already a Lt. and getting command training

Wrong Klingon again: "qlIngghon" and "anatomy" :D
In "ACCESSION", Kira remembers the old version of Akorem's poem while looking at the new finished one after he was sent back by the Prophets.
 
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