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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x08 – “The Life of the Stars”

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 28 22.2%
  • 9

    Votes: 36 28.6%
  • 8

    Votes: 17 13.5%
  • 7

    Votes: 11 8.7%
  • 6

    Votes: 5 4.0%
  • 5

    Votes: 8 6.3%
  • 4

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • 3

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • 2

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • 1 - Terrible.

    Votes: 9 7.1%

  • Total voters
    126
Actually what happened to SAM in this episode pretty neatly mirrors what happened to the Doctor in the Voyager episode “Swarm”. He began to malfunction because his program had exceeded its memory capacity after accumulating too many experiences and subroutines. His matrix started to destabilize and the solution was to effectively resetting him to an earlier state and erasing his memories. It was all forgotten by the next episode, but it’s pretty close to SAM’s condition.
That was the abandoned solution, the actual solution was to merge his program with the specialized diagnostic and repair matrix.

Delta Quadrant? They don’t say where Kasq is located
Not this episode, but it was stated to be in the Delta Quadrant before.
 
4/10 too boring for me, good idea but just I was trying not to fall asleep. Never heard of the play so that went right over my British head.
 
No new ships this episode other than the SFA shuttle in a little more detail.
Did the Doctor just wear the same uniform during Sam’s childhood?
Why can’t Tarima wear a standard cadet uniform?
I don’t mind the class cohorts being small in this ep — presumably Tilly had like eight lessons with various cohorts per day, covering all the students.
 
I would have thought it was one of those staples of American theater -- like "Death of a Salesman" or "A Streetcar Named Desire" or "Arsenic and Old Lace" -- that everybody knew about by cultural osmosis, even if they haven't actually read it or seen it produced.
I’ve heard about all of these, but never read or seen productions of them. I guess I mostly must have heard about them on US American TV shows and movies. “Our Town” I straight up had never heard about before today, though. We read stuff like Goethe’s “Faust” and “Die Leiden des jungen Werthers” (“The Sorrows of Young Werther“), Berthold Brecht’s “Die Dreigroschenoper” (“The Threepenny Opera”) and Gerhart Hauptmann’s “Die Ratten” (“The Rats”) in school. Then later in advanced English courses we would read mainly Shakespeare.

That was the abandoned solution, the actual solution was to merge his program with the specialized diagnostic and repair matrix.
Really? It’s been a while. But it definitely ends with the Doctor getting a soft reset, doesn’t it?

Not this episode, but it was stated to be in the Delta Quadrant before.
I don’t think I remember this. Which episode was that mentioned? I’d like to check it out. The MA article on Kasq doesn’t seem to mention that piece of information either.
 
Other than being about young people, the similarities are pretty limited. Did you watch that show?

Every time this comparison comes up, I remember most of the people here are middle-aged and older and need to reference a show from my youth that ended almost 30 years ago. It makes me feel old.
Also 90210 was a very popular and critically acclaimed show in the Genre SFA if in. So it's not actually the insult some people seem to think
 
In what way did the show “normalize” her drinking? It was pretty obviously a self-sabotaging moment for the character, her lowest point. What made you think that there’s a level on which the writers wanted to communicate this as “a good example”?
I actually didn't mean her(Tarima) but the adults, and it isnt a SFA problem but shows in general.
But yeah would be easy to assume it ment Tarima
 
I actually didn't mean her(Tarima) but the adults, and it isnt a SFA problem but shows in general.
But yeah would be easy to assume it ment Tarima
In that case I understand it even less, since Tilly, Ake and Reno having a drink isn’t really framed as drinking in a “tough situation”. My reading was that they had a drink just to celebrate being together.
 
In that case I understand it even less, since Tilly, Ake and Reno having a drink isn’t really framed as drinking in a “tough situation”. My reading was that they had a drink just to celebrate being together.

Exactly. Like McCoy bringing Kirk a bottle of Romulan Ale for his birthday in The Wrath of Khan.

It was a social ritual, not a case of people of drowning their sorrows in a bottle or using alcohol to cope.

(Meanwhile, Dr. Boyce was prescribing Pike a stiff martini as far back as the "The Cage" -- and that was the first STAR TREK scene ever filmed.)
 
Naah it is more the equivalent of the old "I need a smoke"
In the social setting getting the "one with a proof" is like "we need a strong one" and I am counting the previous episodes too.
Sad Ake with a drink in front of the rainy window and one before that with the recording from brakka.

No one there is getting drunk but...

Same with the old cigarete scenes it should just not really be a thing that often
Also it is a minor nitpick and not my main issue with the episodes.

I do not really care what is star trek or not although while we are at that I did like that Pike had more of a cooking focus when he needed to talk with someone
Although that can be a bit over the top too
 
The reason I didn't give it a 10/10 was due to the use of Our Town. It sort of relied on the audience having a semi-functional awareness of the play (musical?) and I would argue that the vast majority of the audience won't. Yes, they tried to rehash talking points, but its not unlike reading an essay - it's not the same as having read or experienced the book/play.
I had heard of 'Our Town' but had no idea what it was about and had zero awareness of the themes. But I got the gist of it and I actually really like the play and characters being dissected by the cadets. Even though it was Tilly trying to get them to emotionally cathart, it reminded me a lot of studying English literature in High School which was my favourite subject.
 
Really boring. Somewhat pretentious writing style harking back to, of course, some kind of modern day play I’ve never heard of.

Put them back on the damned ship and do some proper adventure.

Even Bob Picard couldn’t save this one. What a waste off his talents.
 
And, honestly, Trek has always worn its English Lit propensities on its sleeve: Shakespeare, Dickens, Moby-Dick, etc. Why not Thorton Wilder as well?

For what it's worth, I thought the episode did a good job of briefly recapping the plot and themes of "Our Town," but then I've been familiar with the play for almost fifty years now, since first watching a TV production with Hal Holbrook back in 1977, which made a lasting impression on me.
I remember that production! I think that was my first exposure to Holbrook as an actor. (Then later I saw the older Hollywood version with the make-the-audience-feel-better ending.).

I definitely had both literature and art required classes in college, but that was the mid/late eighties, so I imagine things have devolved changed since then.
 
As opposed to "Conscience of the King" milking "Hamlet" and "Macbeth" for all it was worth?

(Another one of my favorite Trek episodes, btw.)
That's not really my favorite TOS episode. But, giving a general Shakespeare vibe is a lot different than dredging a classic but not overly well known play (today at least) for its core meaning. We got some strange acting theater class thing with an annoying Tilly. And I'm not a Tilly hater.

YMMV of course. But this one didn't work for me. Conscience of the King was a bit better but still not great because it used more famous source material mainly for the atmosphere. The other elements in CotK worked better too, such as the acting. In this episode, some of the acting was notably sub par (mainly the Betazoid).
 
I liked that Darem referenced his experiences from last week’s episode when analyzing the motivation of that character from the play. It was a small moment, but I appreciated it.

Loved the awkward hug / handshake / little dance SAM did with Ocam when she returned. After her having now spent something at least resembling an actual childhood and adolescence (even if they of course only managed to do it in a ridiculously sci-fi way) I’m much more open to the idea that they could have something like a romantic experience together.

Somehow that scene of Genesis being there for Tarima when she comes home drunk touches me on a deep level. It strikes me as a very real and grounded experience young people at that age can have. I know I certainly did. Not even necessarily the drunk part of it, but the emotional breakdown with a friend around aspect.

That's surprising.
Why? I wouldn’t find it all that surprising if you hadn’t heard of all of the plays I mentioned in that post. And yet they are practically all pieces of world literature. It’s just that our respective cultural upbringings were likely very much centered around plays important to the places we grew up in.
 
An add-on from me - Derem's expression when talking about the forced / expected marriage elements of the play. George did it well.

Also - why is Tarima's uniform a crew-neck. Have they made a special uniform for shock-collar wearers.
Spock used to get special uniforms because of the ears.
It's too chatacter driven for a show about learning of and exploring the galaxy
Star Trek really isn't about the "learning of and exploring the galaxy". That's just the place were characters and character are examined.
Warp flight scenes used to be relaxing in old Trek eps.
Nu Trek warp slide effects out the windows is just too bright, flashy and busy.
Settle down grandpa. :lol:
Incorrect, at least in my recent experience with dealing with college degrees.
My decades old experience too.
Also, is Federation space dangerous or not?
Depends on the neighborhood.
That's surprising.
He's not American.
 
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