Thing is movies like TWOK made a huge profit. 12 million budget and 97 mil box office. But Beyond did not make a profit and lost 50 mil.
Thing is movies like TWOK made a huge profit. 12 million budget and 97 mil box office. But Beyond did not make a profit and lost 50 mil.
Profit is the studio's problem. I am using box office as a means of determining how many people watched the thing, since any count of ticket sales is just taking that number and dividing it by an average, no one is actually counting.
It was also more action oriented than the last film.
And STAR TREK, as a property, is about making profit. For examples, if a movie made $250 million in sales but only broke even, it would be considered a financial failure because it didn't turn a profit. If a movie made $100 million but only cost $15 million to make... that's a good profit and is considered a success.
Besides the quality of TWOK, the amount of profit it gained made it be considered a success.
This is also one of the main reasons why, despite BEYOND being a massively better movie than either 09 or ID, we never got a fourth Kelvinverse one.
A studio is not going to want to make a movie if they don't think it will get them profit.
Besides the quality of TWOK, the amount of profit it gained made it be considered a success.
This is also one of the main reasons why, despite BEYOND being a massively better movie than either 09 or ID, we never got a fourth Kelvinverse one.
A studio is not going to want to make a movie if they don't think it will get them profit.
Correct.
Which is why I don't see Trek continuing given the huge amount of debt that Skydance is now going to shoulder.
The break even point is 2.5 times production cost.
So a movie that has a production cost of 100 million would need to make 250 million at the box office to break even.
I know that. That's part of the point I was making.
Not an uncommon take but one I've never been able to understand outside of growing up with it. Childhood nostalgia is powerful.
Well just the structure and writing of the show especially the first season. Even without any nostalgia when the writing was good it was very good and many episodes hold up splendidly today. The production quality in the first season looked great in 1966 and honestly still looks great today. Im talking sets, lighting costumes. Special effects while sparse and primitive worked not all the time but much of it. By no means do I not think there weren't stinkers on the show but the good to great episodes far outnumbered the bad ones.
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I was a Next Gen fan when I started watching TOS, and I only knew about it from the parodies. Everything I saw about it made it seem really campy and kitsch, unlike the serious mature TNG.
Then I actually watched it, and it may have the best first season of Trek to this day. Granted that's partly because it hit the ground running while a lot of the later shows started off stumbling, but that first year is solid sci-fi drama.
Then I actually watched it, and it may have the best first season of Trek to this day. Granted that's partly because it hit the ground running while a lot of the later shows started off stumbling, but that first year is solid sci-fi drama.
So true Ray. Too bad the studio kept cutting the budget. But even in the later seasons it has some gems.
TOS Season 1 may be the very best single season of Star Trek yet produced, and that's saying a lot given that we have close to fifty seasons of small screen Trek in existence as of this date.
It's interesting to find out that Darem's parents weren't the royals, it was Kaira's parents who abdicated the Fishy Throne and made her queen fish, and prompted her summoning her betrothed home to be king fish.
That suggests that Darem's parents politicked like hell to get their little fry promised to the future queen of their race, probably competing with several other high-status families, trying to get the same 'gonna be a King!' deal for their own kid.
Which leads to Darem's parents perhaps being rightly steamed that Darem took the job they'd struggled so hard to win for him, and promptly abdicated.
Then again, perhaps they realized the same thing that Kaira (and Jay-Den) did, that Darem wasn't really cut out to be a king. He'd been groomed to excel all his life by his tiger parents, and turned into someone desperate to please and win the approval of them.
Desperate for approval. Not a great 'leader' trait.
If his parents were clever enough to realize that they'd pushed and driven and withheld affection so much that they'd created a son who was not really emotionally ready to *run their planet,* maybe they are pissed not only at Darem, but at themselves?
Sometimes you beat the iron too much, and instead of tempering it, you get slag...
It suggested it was a lottery.
This is infinitely more interesting than what was actually in the episode. I loved the Darem/Jay-Den elements, but the whole marriage aspect was undercooked to an absurd amount. I wish they would have done what you‘re describing. Or at least done it in a more obvious way.It's interesting to find out that Darem's parents weren't the royals, it was Kaira's parents who abdicated the Fishy Throne and made her queen fish, and prompted her summoning her betrothed home to be king fish.
That suggests that Darem's parents politicked like hell to get their little fry promised to the future queen of their race, probably competing with several other high-status families, trying to get the same 'gonna be a King!' deal for their own kid.
Which leads to Darem's parents perhaps being rightly steamed that Darem took the job they'd struggled so hard to win for him, and promptly abdicated.
Then again, perhaps they realized the same thing that Kaira (and Jay-Den) did, that Darem wasn't really cut out to be a king. He'd been groomed to excel all his life by his tiger parents, and turned into someone desperate to please and win the approval of them.
Desperate for approval. Not a great 'leader' trait.
If his parents were clever enough to realize that they'd pushed and driven and withheld affection so much that they'd created a son who was not really emotionally ready to *run their planet,* maybe they are pissed not only at Darem, but at themselves?
Sometimes you beat the iron too much, and instead of tempering it, you get slag...
Honestly, anything to make this plot a bit more interesting.This is infinitely more interesting than what was actually in the episode. I loved the Darem/Jay-Den pieces, but the whole marriage aspect was undercooked to an absurd amount. I wish they would have done what you‘re describing. Or at least done it in a more obvious way.
To be fair, I saw someone else make the same joke elsewhere (I don't remember where) before I made it here, though I did try to flesh it out and give it my own stamp.
Which is to say, there's a slim chance I nicked the joke off @flyerdog if he previously posted it elsewhere.
I thought it was the person helping you get a loan.
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