Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

[cooleddie74]

The Augment Virus didn't help with that political breakdown.

 

[Tosk]

And this is where I confess that, as a kid, I never even noticed The Munsters replaced Marilyn -- twice!

One non-monstrous blonde looked like another . . . .

The way you worded that put this awful joke into my head.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Okay, thank you for setting me straight. You know, the Enterprise from The Cage doesn't really look different than the one from first season TOS. DIS purporting to be in between the two and the vast difference in literally everything screamed 'alternate timeline' at me and I didn't watch enough of it to learn that.

it very well could be an alternate timeline. Since Khans rise has been changed from the 1990s to probably the 2050s or 60s could give the next producer of star trek explain Kurtzman Trek was a alternate timeline created after khan birth was delayed. So there is a hope.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Or why Kirstie Alley magically transformed into Robin Curtis . . . .

This is how recasting has worked for as long as movies and TV have existed. The audience is expected to understand that it's the same character even if they're now played by a new actor. Same with updated makeup and set designs.

Thank God BATMAN didn't feel obliged to provide an "in-universe" explanation for why Julie Newmar turned into Eartha Kitt!

Or why there were two Riddlers and three Mr. Freeze.

 

[Tuskin38]

And I believe they planned for Valeris to be Saavik, but Cattrall refused to be the third actress in five films to play the charactdr.

It wasn't Cattrall, but several people didn't want there to be yet another actor to play the character.

There's a second story, allegedly Gene Roddenberry wanted them to change the character because he didn't think the fans would like Saavik becoming a traitor.

it very well could be an alternate timeline. Since Khans rise has been changed from the 1990s to probably the 2050s or 60s could give the next producer of star trek explain Kurtzman Trek was a alternate timeline created after khan birth was delayed.

Then why isn't TNG onwards also considered an alternate timeline? Spock said the Eugenics War was Earth's final world war, but TNG gave us a Third World War that happens several decades after the Eugenics Wars.

Star Trek's lore isn't set in stone, it's allowed to be changed without explanation.

So there is a hope.

No.

 

[CT_Phipps]

it very well could be an alternate timeline. Since Khans rise has been changed from the 1990s to probably the 2050s or 60s could give the next producer of star trek explain Kurtzman Trek was a alternate timeline created after khan birth was delayed. So there is a hope.

It's not necessarily an alternate timeline versus an ALTERED timeline, which are different beasts.

 

[tenmei]

It wasn't Cattrall, but several people didn't want there to be yet another actor to play the character.

There's a second story, allegedly Gene Roddenberry wanted them to change the character because he didn't think the fans would like Saavik becoming a traitor.

My memory may have stemmed from -

When she was finally cast for the role of Valeris, Cattrall actually refused the part at first, as she was under the false impression that she had to be the third actress to portray Saavik (for which, ironically, Alley tuned out to be unavailable), but jumped at the opportunity when she learned that that was not to be the case, as she considered Saavik "just a girl," whereas she considered Valeris "a woman."

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kim_Cattrall

 

[firehawk12]

I liked the implications of that episode that the Klingons were going through a reactionary period.

With DISCO, it implies this was right before the collapse of the Empire before T'Kuvma rebuilt it.

Imagine living in this era. If someone told me that being a doctor was cowardly, weak and pathetic and they came to me while they were dying, I'd at least rub it in their face if not let them die. lol

"Oh I thought you wanted to see Stovokor?"

 

[fireproof78]

it very well could be an alternate timeline. Since Khans rise has been changed from the 1990s to probably the 2050s or 60s could give the next producer of star trek explain Kurtzman Trek was a alternate timeline created after khan birth was delayed. So there is a hope.

TNG is altered too. Eugenics Wars/WW3 were not a nuclear exchange, and was in the 1990s.

 

[tenmei]

Jay-Dens mon is called L'vanna, father is Dre-Kol, brother Thar, and second father Enok, according to Karim -

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[WarpTenLizard]

I gave a 6. I found it slow and largely boring, but with enough little things I did like to bump it up to above average.

I like hearing themes from "Star Trek: the Motion Picture." Not just the Klingon theme, but Ilya's theme as well.

I liked being able to like Nahla Ake again (the last episode's attempt to make her seem "quirky" felt like something out of a 2000s teen movie) and I deeply appreciated that she kept her shoes on. Fingers crossed that the foot fetish stays away for good.

I found Lura Thok more likable after her speech to Jay-Den. Up until now, she seemed like a very one-dimensional Worf-alike. The more mature and wizened personality is much better, and makes me able to buy her relationship with Jett Reno.

Nahla Ake and Lura Thok are two characters I've really wanted to like, so I'm very happy that this episode made that possible. I'm really hoping their future characterization is like this.

 

[CT_Phipps]

Imagine living in this era. If someone told me that being a doctor was cowardly, weak and pathetic and they came to me while they were dying, I'd at least rub it in their face if not let them die. lol

"Oh I thought you wanted to see Stovokor?"

I feel like there's a anti-vaxx joke waiting to be made here.

 

[CT_Phipps]

@tenmei

When she was finally cast for the role of Valeris, Cattrall actually refused the part at first, as she was under the false impression that she had to be the third actress to portray Saavik (for which, ironically, Alley tuned out to be unavailable), but jumped at the opportunity when she learned that that was not to be the case, as she considered Saavik "just a girl," whereas she considered Valeris "a woman."

I don't doubt it. The chance to be a surprise villain as a female part in a huge franchise like Star Trek is a thing most actresses would have dreamed of at the time.

No one objects to Valeris as a character. Everyone just is divided whether she would have been better as Saavik.

And the only reason there's a controversy is some people speculate Saavik had a continuing role in the lives of the characters post-UC. Either as Spock's wife or a continuing heroine or both.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Ok. So this episode like the others briefly appeared in the top 10 for a few hours. Its dropped out now. I haven't watched it yet exceot a couple minutes. Will watch 10 minutes or so today. Hopefully i can finish by Thursday. It looks like a long episode.


Ill give a full review when im done.

 

[Tuskin38]

SFA is still in the top 10 here in Canada. #1 in most watched, and #2 in trending, after Discovery for some reason.

 

[XCV330]

I've read the whole Long Earth series. Read pretty much everything Steven Baxter wrote, actually. Was majorly into him when I was younger, though my genre tastes lean elsewhere these days.

I believe it's been established in canon that Klingons stole warp drive from the Hur'q, right? Anyway, I think the idea that the Klingons got tech from elsewhere is fine. It's just that in general the planet-side worldbuilding felt really lazy. The decisions seemed driven predominantly based upon what would be the cheapest to film - which was rough sleeping in tents in the middle of a completely unremarkable stand of Ontario trees.

It wasn't enough to really make me dislike the episode, which I think is the strongest to date for the series. But I do think with just a little bit of tweaking Jay-Den's family setup wouldn't have felt so transparently staged for television.

that's fair. Klingons after falling to the whim of every show runner are kind of getting odd:

Klingons are:
Yellow Peril MissionImpossibleBadNationOfTheWeekWithLongerMoustaches Nationalist/Commies (TOS)
Heavily Into Purple (TAS)
Fearless, Cruel, Eloquent and Legitimately Worried About UFP dominance (TOS MOVIES)
Ron Moore Biker Gang (TNG through ENT & TLD)
Bald? (Bad Robot)
Two of Anything You Got One Of, snazzy dressers, even more traditional than before. Skull enlargement (Disco)
Luddite Space Hobos (SFA)

I just accept it. There is no standard Klingon culture. Or body. They have a convention every few years and pick a new thing and they do that for awhile.

 

[Tuskin38]

Luddite Space Hobos (SFA)

Eh? Where did you get that from? They even had a spaceship.

 

[Nerys Myk]

that's fair. Klingons after falling to the whim of every show runner are kind of getting odd:

Klingons are:
Yellow Peril MissionImpossibleBadNationOfTheWeekWithLongerMoustaches Nationalist/Commies (TOS)
Heavily Into Purple (TAS)
Fearless, Cruel, Eloquent and Legitimately Worried About UFP dominance (TOS MOVIES)
Ron Moore Biker Gang (TNG through ENT & TLD)
Bald? (Bad Robot)
Two of Anything You Got One Of, snazzy dressers, even more traditional than before. Skull enlargement (Disco)
Luddite Space Hobos (SFA)

I just accept it. There is no standard Klingon culture. Or body. They have a convention every few years and pick a new thing and they do that for awhile.

Kras: "Come on guys! Space Hobos????"

 

[XCV330]

Eh? Where did you get that from? They even had a spaceship.

it's a space box-car. they just opened the door and made some mulligan gut stew in the back while Drekol wails away on the harmonica.

 

[Nerys Myk]

it's a space box-car. they just opened the door and made some mulligan gut stew in the back while Drekol wails away on the harmonica.

They might be more like Travelers or Romani