Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

[Galaxy]

Oh I totally agree on that front, Worf was a terrible father. But it took the literal death of one son in order for Jay-Den's father to prevent the spiritual death of another, so I'm not sure if that's meant to be a positive form of growth.

I assume that had the other son survived then the father would have been more at ease in letting Jay-Den go. Plus brother would have argued his case.

 

[CT_Phipps]

Watching the scene again, it seems all they needed was a dermal regenerator. Which I assume they used every time they cut their hands to prove that they weren't Changelings during the Dominion War, so it's not like some radical technology either. lol

The ending of the episode implies that his dad is possibly lying about this as well, trying to keep his son from running away on a futile quest to get the dermal regenerator.

 

[firehawk12]

The ending of the episode implies that his dad is possibly lying about this as well, trying to keep his son from running away on a futile quest to get the dermal regenerator.

So I did consider that all the flashbacks are possibly just faulty or repressed memories based on that ending where Thok re-interprets his memory of his father for him and that he's spent the last couple of years (or however long it has been) just thinking horrible things about his parents because it was his only way to cope... and I could maybe accept that, although it feels like a very generous interpretation based on the writing presented to us.

Stabbed with a poisoned blade, IIRC.

Yes that's true, and maybe this can be attributed to Jay-Den's inexperience or faulty memories, but in the scene itself he says that he can save him with the dermal regenerator.

I assume that had the other son survived then the father would have been more at ease in letting Jay-Den go. Plus brother would have argued his case.

The easier way to have written this is if they gave the brother a fatal wound that was impossible to heal, so they don't have the father reject Federation technology out of hand (regardless of whether this is a real memory or not). Then the parents blame Jay-Den for getting his brother killed by having him go to the market and Jay-Den has to live with the guilt of his dreams killing his brother.

You could still have the father kick his son out in order to let him join Starfleet anyway, but without this confusing bit about randomly letting his other son die.

 

[Fateor]

Yes that's true, and maybe this can be attributed to Jay-Den's inexperience or faulty memories, but in the scene itself he says that he can save him with the dermal regenerator.

Which of course makes no sense.

However that scene played things in a way that framed Jay-Den as being right. So more likely it was just the writers mixing up their treknobabble.

 

[Tosk]

Yes that's true, and maybe this can be attributed to Jay-Den's inexperience or faulty memories, but in the scene itself he says that he can save him with the dermal regenerator.

Or some time in the last 800 years, dermal regenerators became much more multi-use but kept their original name. Tends to happen in the real world, so why not Trek world too?

 

[Paul Weaver]

The writers keep writing the Klingons as these like simplistic and easily manipulated people because of their arbitrary honor code and after decades it just gives them a bad look.

I took it as the Klingon chancellor knowing exactly what was up and going along with it. Humans do that all the time - loopholes in their own beliefs, Eruvs for example.

Likewise the “won’t use federation technology to save some life” has parallels with people refusing blood donations for religious grounds.