Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

[CT_Phipps]

So.. just like Romulans, the kilingons are now an endangered species? Q'onos is destroyed? Ugh.. Lazy writing is lazy..
And the Klingons had an Empire.. no worlds in there own fold? Nomads? Really? again lazy writing.. basically the Romulans in Picard. Whole empire.. but the Federation has to help?

I think this is one of those things where the audience's reaction is different from the media. The Romulans are fine, they live on Vulcan/Nivar and are a vastly secure race and allies of the Federation. The Romulan Crisis was like the invasion of England by the Normans to us.

If Earth got razed, the federation would still stand, hell Vulcan go imploded in 09, and everything was peachy later.

I find it kind of funny because one of the earliest Star Trek media I experienced was the TOS video game where the plot was a bunch of aliens will destroy the Federation by blowing up Earth.

("Star Trek: 25th Anniversary", FYI)

The writing needs to be better, don't be lazy by leaning back on over used tropes. Hell AI is more original now adays.

I mean....refugee crises are kind of topical.

 

[valkyrie013]

I mean....refugee crises are kind of topical.

yes but.. for 2 series? ( Picard and Academy, even Discovery) You can have refugees without "Destroying an Empire" or endangering a species. Burn did that to many species. Didn't have "Blow up Q'onous"

 

[Nerys Myk]

yes but.. for 2 series? ( Picard and Academy, even Discovery) You can have refugees without "Destroying an Empire" or endangering a species. Burn did that to many species. Didn't have "Blow up Q'onous"

More like made uninhabitable. It's there, just not a great place to live.

 

[Fateor]

I think this is one of those things where the audience's reaction is different from the media. The Romulans are fine, they live on Vulcan/Nivar and are a vastly secure race and allies of the Federation. The Romulan Crisis was like the invasion of England by the Normans to us.

Given the Romulan war collage cadet, I'm pretty sure the Romulans live on more places then just Vulcan.

 

[jackoverfull]

You aren't able to click the "Change vote" box, in the lower right of the poll, and edit your vote from 8 to 9?

I am! Thanks for pointing out its existence!

 

[fireproof78]

yes but.. for 2 series?

Yes.

 

[Greg Cox]

Having worked with many people who struggle with familial expectations I can safely say this idea of support no matter what is extremely rare.

Exactly. It may not be rational, but this is a story as old as humanity.

Heck, even among the oh-so-logical Vulcans, Sarek didn't speak to to his own son for eighteen years because Spock didn't follow his father's wishes when it came to his career.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Exactly. It may not be rational, but this is a story as old as humanity.

You are not kidding.

 

[Mudd]

I think I'd kind of disagree here. Again, Trek never really fully commits to the bit that "alien races" are just cultures, due to the whole planet of hats thing. Realistically, after centuries of cross-migration, it should be like in France, where there's French black people, Arabs, etc. - people who may look physically different but are in many cases entirely assimilated into the local culture. But we never see people like this. We've never seen a "little Vulcan" on Earth where they've almost entirely abandoned their Vulcan ways.

Trek has kind of touched on this a bit (like in the DS9 episode Children of Time, where Worf's cultural legacy as a Klingon was carried on by people who had fractional - or no - Klingon ancestry). And of course there are numerous hybrids. But in general cultures are treated as static things which do not change much over the centuries via cross-pollination, where migrants do not get absorbed into the multicultural whole (multiculturalism is left only to whatever Starfleet is doing at the time).

What I said was:

"No, they're not. No "alien" portrayed by an actor in Trek bears any meaningful distinction from human beings other than appearance."

And there's nothing in your response that addresses this.

 

[arch101]

Finally caught up with the first 4. How incredibly sad and lazy that the Klingons become the latest in a convenient list of Federation rivals to have their planet blow up on them. And, like every intergalactic empire besides the Feds, they had no other world in their realm to move to. Come on, writers! The western Romans moved to Ravenna. Half the Romans lived in the east for another 1000 years. They didn't just go away because Rome, or even Italy was sacked. It's just really sad to me that the sophisticated Klingon civilization became a bunch of moonshiners living in the woods.

 

[Turtletrekker]

^ We saw exactly one family living like that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I assumed it was all part of the ceremony that ends with Thar getting the bow. The Kraags seem to be traditionalist.

 

[jackoverfull]

I assumed it was all part of the ceremony that ends with Thar getting the bow. The Kraags seem to be traditionalist.

Yep, they had a ship and were likely there for the rite of passage, not living there permanently.

 

[cooleddie74]

^ We saw exactly one family living like that.

And the General who was close with Holly Hunter definitely didn't seem like a down-on-his-luck outcast living in the woods somewhere.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And the General who was close with Holly Hunter definitely didn't seem like a down-on-his-luck outcast living in the woods somewhere.

It's good to be the king.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's just really sad to me that the sophisticated Klingon civilization became a bunch of moonshiners living in the woods.

It was one family, not the entire species.

 

[fireproof78]

It's just really sad to me that the sophisticated Klingon civilization became a bunch of moonshiners living in the woods

No less than they deserved.

 

[Paul Weaver]

No less than they deserved.

Gowron is a symptom of a bigger problem. The Klingon Empire is dying. And I think it deserves to die.


I see a society that is in deep denial about itself. We're talking about a warrior culture that prides itself on maintaining centuries old traditions of honour and integrity, but in reality it's willing to accept corruption at the highest levels.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Gowron is a symptom of a bigger problem. The Klingon Empire is dying. And I think it deserves to die.

 

[Tosk]

Gowron is a symptom of a bigger problem. The Klingon Empire is dying. And I think it deserves to die.


I see a society that is in deep denial about itself. We're talking about a warrior culture that prides itself on maintaining centuries old traditions of honour and integrity, but in reality it's willing to accept corruption at the highest levels.

You could at least throw some quotation marks around that. Ezri would appreciate it.