Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x03 – “Vitus Reflux”

[Guy Gardener]

I guess a way to interpret the “prepared the replicator” line would be to assume it’s broken and Reno promised to fix it, although I guess Lura wouldn’t have used the word “prepared” then. Maybe the replicator is dirty and “preparing” means cleaning it?

Traditional replicators make 1 plate of food, and once one plate of food is replicated, it starts cooling at the normal speed, unless they are now allowed to lightly phaser dinner without a million alarms going off.

I'm going to profile racially here, so keep up.

Even Klingon babies are not contented from consuming all the solid meat you can fit on one terran sized dinner plate.

15 to 20 plates per meal, per adult Klingon.

Jem'Hadar meanwhile are in front of the 8 ball, 12 thousand years behind the rest of us, as far as consuming solid nutrition goes, where wearing such shameful insecurities on their selves, this proud race probably go full tazmanian devil at the sight of any approaching snacks.

 

[Markonian]

One more side note: the Vulcan War College student makes a size reference at one point using an Imperial unit. Should not be a thing in the evolved future of Star Trek. Already annoyed me in PIC S3.

 

[Char Kais]

I get it, you like the show so you’re attacking the others. That’s not going to make this show any better.

The impulse of NuTrek apologists to tear down classic Star Trek to prop up NuTrek is interesting.

The arguments being made against new trek are the exact same as the ones that were being made towards 90's trek. It's just the same shit repeated ad nauseum.

And the criticism being lobbed at Academy is exactly the same as it has always been. You can keep trying to revise history and gaslight all you want.

Wrong

Did people criticize Voyager (or Enterprise) for being immature or trying to appeal to a YA audience?

The main criticism leveled against Voyager was that the show played it too safe, that it was a bit dull/samey, there was no big overall grand vision, the showrunners/writers seemed tired, they have no fresh ideas (all of these points were also leveled against Enterprise S1 and S2), and mostly that it didn't fully embrace the setting (clean corridors; it should have been "Year of Hell"/"USS Equinox" all the way).

This is a completely different set of criticisms.

 

[Paul755]

I thought this was a fun episode. 7/10.

I like how unlike the other live action streaming Trek series, these aren’t being edited as if they are going to be put on over the air broadcast. Each episode has been a full 60-60min+. Not 45-50 in anticipation of commercial breaks. Or the short “why bother” 35-40 min episodes. If streaming doesn’t have a limitation on duration, why not take advantage.

 

[Tuskin38]

One more side note: the Vulcan War College student makes a size reference at one point using an Imperial unit. Should not be a thing in the evolved future of Star Trek. Already annoyed me in PIC S3.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The impulse of NuTrek apologists to tear down classic Star Trek to prop up NuTrek is interesting.






Wrong

Did people criticize Voyager (or Enterprise) for being immature or trying to appeal to a YA audience?

The main criticism leveled against Voyager was that the show played it too safe, that it was a bit dull/samey, there was no big overall grand vision, the showrunners/writers seemed tired, they have not fresh ideas (all of these points were also leveled against Enterprise S1 and S2), and mostly that it didn't fully embrace the setting (clean corridors; it should have been "Year of Hell"/"USS Equinox" all the way).

This is a completely different set of criticisms.

I'm sorry. Did you say something?

 

[Greg Cox]

The impulse of NuTrek apologists to tear down classic Star Trek to prop up NuTrek is interesting.

I think it's often more about calling out a double standard:

Old show did a thing. It's still a classic and "canon."

New show does same thing: "It's a crime against fandom! This is not Trek!"


"But the older shows also took flak when they were new, often using the same kind of language?"

"That was different!"


Speaking as a somebody who has been hooked on Trek since 1966, and was attending Trek conventions long before TNG was a thing, this is nothing new.

We've been here before, many, many times.

 

[Elaise]

I gave the Ep a 2. What really turned me off was Ake acting like a adhd riddled child. I also found it amusing that she preaches peace, empathy and patience. Though she showed very little of that in Ep1 with wanted to beam the pirates into space and blowing up a inferior ship.

As I have said before. Once they figured out and beat that pirate ships' gimmick they had nothing to fear from it.

 

[fireproof78]

I think it's often more about calling out a double standard:

Old show did a thing. It's still a classic and "canon."

New show does same thing: "It's a crime against fandom! This is not Trek!"


"But the older shows also took flak when they were new, often using the same kind of language?"

"That was different!"


Speaking as a somebody who has been hooked on Trek since 1966, and was attending Trek conventions long before TNG was a thing, this is nothing new.

We've been here before, many, many times.

Why does it bother me? Because it is so damn inconsistent. The argument that "well, it's new and we can't change the old stuff" doesn't land for me because we don't really change the productions now either. It's just looking for a reason to be upset, and then being inconsistent with the past Trek. We've created a weird double standard that makes the new somehow more egregious than the past stuff because...because otherwise we wouldn't have things to be mad about, I guess.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think it's often more about calling out a double standard:

Old show did a thing. It's still a classic and "canon."

New show does same thing: "It's a crime against fandom! This is not Trek!"


"But the older shows also took flak when they were new, often using the same kind of language?"

"That was different!"


Speaking as a somebody who has been hooked on Trek since 1966, and was attending Trek conventions long before TNG was a thing, this is nothing new.

We've been here before, many, many times.

Exactly. All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.

And I was extremely critical of both Voyager and Enterprise back in the day, so it's hardly some sudden 'impulse" to be negative of the previous era as some folk would like to claim. All things considered, I would still rather have Alex Kurtzman creating new Star Trek shows than Rick Berman.

 

[Sim]

I thought this was a fun episode. 7/10.

I like how unlike the other live action streaming Trek series, these aren’t being edited as if they are going to be put on over the air broadcast. Each episode has been a full 60-60min+. Not 45-50 in anticipation of commercial breaks. Or the short “why bother” 35-40 min episodes. If streaming doesn’t have a limitation on duration, why not take advantage.

I also like SFA takes advantage of a full 16:9 picture, rather than the pseudo-cinematic 2.35:1 that renders a significant portion of my tv screen useless.

 

[Greg Cox]

Elaborating a bit: In my experience, the inevitable backlash against a new and different version of Trek does often involve a fair amount of:

Viewing our old favorites through rose-colored visors. (I'm a shameless TOS partisan, since that's the Trek I grew up on, but I'm not unaware that it's showing its age in some ways.)

Comparing the new version not to the shows as they actually existed, but to some platonic ideal of what Trek is supposed to be.

And, honestly, is it just me or does it seem like, nine times out of ten, when somebody complains that a new Trek isn't Trek enough, what they actually mean is "it's not like TNG"? As though TNG is somehow the gold standard to which old Treks, past and present, must be compared.

Don't get me wrong. I watched TNG religiously (and have written more than my fair share of TNG novels and short stories), but it's just one variation of Trek out of many. It doesn't define the franchise for all time.

Trek is a bigger umbrella than that, IMO.

 

[Dar70]

Yikes. This one is the worst of the three for me so far. The first two I gave them 6's. This one is a solid 3 for me. I didn't find it all that engaging and TBH I stopped watching with 20 minutes to go. Just not feeling it. I said last time I would not mind if much of the 20 episode run be set at the academy. Maybe I spoke too soon.

Im truly trying to give it a fair shake. But dang it's just not all that interesting to me. As I said before. I do like Holly Hunter, Robert Picardo and Oded Fehr. Holly is doing an excellent job as Nahla. Though it looks like Robert just has a small supporting role as does Oded. Maybe both will get an episode later.

 

[Mudd]

One more side note: the Vulcan War College student makes a size reference at one point using an Imperial unit. Should not be a thing in the evolved future of Star Trek. Already annoyed me in PIC S3.

Trek uses Imperial units casually from time to time, usually in conversation. In fact this was called out as colloquially permissible in the TOS writer's guide ages ago. TNG's writer's guide cautioned against using it, but the practice has never completely stopped.

Again, American audience.

They probably won't use meters in a thousand years, anyway.

 

[The Salt Umpire]

tcars!



and the controversial thing from the reviews...

That ensures I won't watch it.

 

[Sim]

I think it's often more about calling out a double standard:

Old show did a thing. It's still a classic and "canon."

New show does same thing: "It's a crime against fandom! This is not Trek!"


"But the older shows also took flak when they were new, often using the same kind of language?"

"That was different!"


Speaking as a somebody who has been hooked on Trek since 1966, and was attending Trek conventions long before TNG was a thing, this is nothing new.

We've been here before, many, many times.

Yes, I also remember the hate TNG got when it was new. Although I am not *that* old, I had the luck of still getting familiar with the franchise with TOS first, just three years before TNG started in Germany in 1990.

So I'm not criticizing any new show on the grounds of it "not being real Star Trek". I like that Star Trek is so versatile and addresses different target audiences. I am just checking what the new show means for me.

As far as SFA is concerned, I'm not sure I'm part of the target audience. I can't really relate to the cadets so far (and I don't think that's because of the YA focus ... I do like Buffy, i.e.). But there were enough other elements, foremost Ake, the Doctor and the world building aspect I liked. I hope I'll also like some of the cadets more, once they get more screen time.

So I try to keep an open mind. I *want* to like this new show. I also tried to like DSC. It didn't work. I hope it will be different this time. But as a long time fan, I have patience. I didn't *really* like TNG and DS9 before mid-season 2 either.

 

[Greg Cox]

I was slow to warm to TNG too.

"Measure of a Man," in season two, was the the ep that finally won me over.

(Thank you, Melinda Snodgrass.)

 

[CT_Phipps]

Traditional replicators make 1 plate of food, and once one plate of food is replicated, it starts cooling at the normal speed, unless they are now allowed to lightly phaser dinner without a million alarms going off.

I'm going to profile racially here, so keep up.

Even Klingon babies are not contented from consuming all the solid meat you can fit on one terran sized dinner plate.

15 to 20 plates per meal, per adult Klingon.

Jem'Hadar meanwhile are in front of the 8 ball, 12 thousand years behind the rest of us, as far as consuming solid nutrition goes, where wearing such shameful insecurities on their selves, this proud race probably go full tazmanian devil at the sight of any approaching snacks.

My take on the subject is that they were going to be trying something new and they needed to upload whatever code into their replicator. Remember as early as Deep Space Nine, they were always complaining about entering recipes and Cardassian ones not getting the exact specifications right.

Mind you, my take is that technology is roughly the same as in the 24th century and hasn't advanced because trying to speculate on developments past then to the 32nd is an exercise in madness.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Stonn came off as a bit of a prick, too. Went along with her plans and just stood there waiting for Spock to finish off Kirk so he could claim his prize.

Did he even have a line?

 

[Greg Cox]

Did he even have a line?

I vaguely remember that he stepped forward to protest when T'Pring chose Kirk as her champion instead of him, but I can't swear he had a line.