Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x02 – “Beta Test”
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Yeah, at bare minimum there's sixteen years between the final scenes of PRO Season 2 and the first scenes in PIC Season 3.
Though the timeline of season 3 in relation to the first couple doesn't make sense. But, that continuity trainwreck is a discussion for another thread.
Yeah, the Titan-A discrepancies and how long it's been commanded by Shaw are infuriating to sit and think about. The timeline doesn't match up with dialogue.
Terry wanted so, so bad to retcon the first couple seasons out of existence.
And wasn't afraid to try and retcon Lower Decks out of existence along the way.
He did? That one, I'm not recalling.
I feel him.
Well more of a collateral damage thing since he wanted desperately for Riker's Titan to have been a Constitution to the point that's still in the script.
I don't know if that necessarily messes with Lower Decks as much as it just makes the internal timeline and continuity for season 3 even worse. A self-inflicted wound, shall we say.
Aaaaand, you've reminded me that the show clearly intended for the Titan-A to be renamed the Picard at the end, even though it flies in the face of Picard himself saying "I'm not a man who needs a legacy" (not that this is the only thing which undercuts the season's mission statement for his character, mind you). You can see it in the way that reaction scene with Sir Patrick is directed and performed.
At the time, Matlas wasn't aware the Titan was on Lower Decks. When he learned it was and that they used the Luna class design from the novels, he went and rewrote things, hhich resulted in the sloppy dialogue about the ship being both new and a refit as well as weird stuff like the ship still having that new ship smell but is also twenty years old somehow. Or its launch date is apparently one year in the future but Shaw has commanded it for five years.
That season had writing flaws children would have gotten reamed by the teachers over had they done things like that in their creative writing assignment. Done by a professional writer who a segment of Trek fandom thinks is simultaneously a saint and deity and should be allowed to take over the franchise.
I find it kinda horrifying that so many writers and producers salivate over the supposed high-quality writing in season 3 when it's as goddamn sloppy as we got. Proves that these so-called "pros" are just as susceptible to nostalgia goggles as everyone else, if not more so. The degree to which Inglorious Treksperts took that adulation of the season at times on the podcast was downright embarrassing.
yeah the writing on PIC s3 was very sloppy. People overlook it because of the memberberries and fan service
This. The sheer amount of praise that the season gets demonstrates clearly to me that Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Academy will never get a fair shake. Ever.
And it being a marked improvement over Season 2, which was....
yeah.
yeah.
And it is referred to directly as Riker's old command. I took drastic action against the season and did not purchase it for my box set shelf. Some may say I've gone too far and will be tried in a world court I say let them try.
Admiral Vance: So with Betazed as the capital, there's just no way that any cloaked ships are going to get the drop on us right? Because the Betazoids should be able to sense the enemy, rendering their cloaks irrelevant.
Doctor: There's no record of Deanna Troi EVER sensing a cloaked ship ahead of time despite the Enterprise-D's many, many encounters with cloaked Romulan ships.
Reno: Who? Oh and Doc, do you have a name?
Doctor: It was actually Kovich but then Agent Daniels stole that so now I'm just back to being the Doctor.
Doctor: There's no record of Deanna Troi EVER sensing a cloaked ship ahead of time despite the Enterprise-D's many, many encounters with cloaked Romulan ships.
Reno: Who? Oh and Doc, do you have a name?
Doctor: It was actually Kovich but then Agent Daniels stole that so now I'm just back to being the Doctor.
Genuinely shocked Kevin Feige loved the season so much he hired Matalas to do a Marvel show. Now, yes, the MCU has its flaws, even when it was in its heyday, but Feige does seem like someone who understands what proper writing is. But even he fell under the nostalgia spell.
Especially when you factor in that S3 did things all the seasons of Disco did which those fans complain about.
That actually is easy enough to rationalize, given in the episode Nepenthe Riker states he had commanded multiple ships, plural. So he commanded both Titans.
That move doesn't reflect very well on Feige or the state of the MCU does it? Hell, if VisionQuest turns out to be good, I'll be happy to be wrong, but I bet the show doesn't turn out to be any better.
Personally, I think Terry got lucky with Twelve Monkeys and kinda failed upwards to Picard. The elements of the fanbase he enabled and connected with during the last couple years doesn't endear his skills as a showrunner to me in the least. Or instances when he was directly called out for supporting toxic folks like RMB and he just shrugged it off. So many red flags.
Yes, but the point was that any defunct Borg equipment can reactivate and cause the Borg to respawn.
I'm not sure I buy that Matlas wasn't aware that the Titan was a Luna Class.
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