Why should it be unrecognizable? I'd think in the future, they would better understand cultural preservation than we do now, and enshrine it as a value held across the entire UFP. They also have preservation techniques we don't have.
Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x02 – “Beta Test”
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Why should it be unrecognizable? I'd think in the future, they would better understand cultural preservation than we do now, and enshrine it as a value held across the entire UFP. They also have preservation techniques we don't have.
I explained why in my post, pretty clearly.
I, respectfully, do not think that just because it's the 32nd Century, it should be unrecognizable. This is a future rich with technological progression that allows a civillization to reach faster-than-light travel, the preservation of a bridge and skyline seems trivial in comparison. I could be wrong, and do correct me if I'm missing something, obviously, but I have, myself, failed to make the connection as to why just because it's the 32nd century, San Francisco should be unrecognizable.
Well, let's just look at how much Paris has changed over the millennia..
I think the difference is how jarring it is to see something that currently looks one way instantly look another way, without living to see the changes in between. "Before" and "after" images, as opposed to time lapse video. Like meeting someone you hadn't seen in twenty years and comparing how they used to look to how they now look.
Not to get too deep in the weeds on this but in the 2 millennia in the Paris example, we had only earth to live on…between 2300 and 3200 (or whatever it is), even with the burn we aren’t planet bound to earth so it’s not a foregone conclusion that the amount of population growth/urban development would be the same; it’s not really apples to apples.
Meant this for episode 1. Sorry.
Entirely fair, but the apples-to-apples example doesn't really exist.
As a true crime aficionado and history lover I think of the Jack the Ripper crime scenes in London. Of the five locations that are widely recognized as the "canonical" five killings of the Ripper only one still has a recognizable building or other structure that was standing in 1888. They've all to one degree or another become largely unrecognizable.
And that's just one area of one city on Earth over 137 years.
And that's just one area of one city on Earth over 137 years.
But outside of a few landmarks and the shoreline, does it really look like San Francisco today? The bridge is the most recognizable thing and it's totally plausible, indeed probably likely, that it's kept in place more as a historical landmark than as a practical means of crossing the bay.
A quick Google search tells me that the bridge already undergoes constant retrofits and upgrades and that almost all of the original steel has almost certainly been replaced. The Bridge of Theseus?
In the late 32nd Century, the Golden Gate Bridge will still be newer than the Parthenon and sections of the Great Wall of China are today, and they don't have the constant retrofits that the bridge has.
I see that I'm not the only person who was reminded of The Dauphin by this episode... and like some others, I don't feel like the comparison comes out all that favorably for SFA. The pacing is all over the place, the story often feels aimless, and a lot relies on the viewer finding Caleb to be the kind of likable and charming diamond-in-the-rough doofus they're clearly going for. As far as that goes, let's just say I don't think he's there yet.
So neither of the first two episodes hits for me, is what that comes out to. Still... I can see the possibilities of the concept. A show about the class that reestablishes a great institution in a wild post-apocalyptic galaxy has the latitude to go to crazy high-adventure places and to explore the post-Burn Federation from interesting angles. I don't think we've seen particularly compelling examples of that, yet? But if they do find the right stories to tell in this setting -- really new stories -- and get some of the characters better dialled in, this show might wind up working in the long term. All of that is a big if, but I will say that it has me curious enough to keep giving it a chance.
So neither of the first two episodes hits for me, is what that comes out to. Still... I can see the possibilities of the concept. A show about the class that reestablishes a great institution in a wild post-apocalyptic galaxy has the latitude to go to crazy high-adventure places and to explore the post-Burn Federation from interesting angles. I don't think we've seen particularly compelling examples of that, yet? But if they do find the right stories to tell in this setting -- really new stories -- and get some of the characters better dialled in, this show might wind up working in the long term. All of that is a big if, but I will say that it has me curious enough to keep giving it a chance.
The early reactions to Caleb remind me of the earlier reactions to Mariner and Dal. As with those characters, Caleb is on a journey that we've only seen the first couple steps of. I came to like Mariner and Dal very much, and frankly I already like Caleb more than I liked either of those two after two episodes.
Wesley could have just as easily fallen love with Mädchen Amick at first sight, and then there would have been a love triangle because Mädchen Amick as an old lady really seemed into Worf.
They get into a fight over the young girl who is really an old monster, Worf breaks the kids arm, Wesley's powers kick in and he Maroons Worf on the other side of the universe.
After the Klingon returns, supplicated, Worf is now the only other member of the House of Wesley, so the last resort left to Worf, to put this boy in his place, is to bang his mom.
I've missed you, Guy.
I had no idea she was even in Star Trek!
If I saw that episode back in the TNG days I must have forgotten.
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