So you're saying StarFleet should be composed of "Team Bat Men & Women".
Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x19 - "Supernova, Part 1"
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I felt every drop of awkwardness through Dal when he kisses Gwyn and her reaction is just like "what are you doing?" 
A great first parter, and I wish the second part was already released. The Diviner redeems himself, IMO, and I'm glad because you could see that once the bitter memory was removed from him, he was able to step back and objectively see Starfleet for what it is, and not through that lens of hate instead.
Also, me watching a kid's show:
"F*ck them up, Janeway!"
"F*ck them up, Murph!"
"F*ck them up, Gwyn!"
A great first parter, and I wish the second part was already released. The Diviner redeems himself, IMO, and I'm glad because you could see that once the bitter memory was removed from him, he was able to step back and objectively see Starfleet for what it is, and not through that lens of hate instead.
Also, me watching a kid's show:
"F*ck them up, Janeway!"
"F*ck them up, Murph!"
"F*ck them up, Gwyn!"
O'Brien wasn't sure how SF would have reacted because Bashir got into SF by hiding his genetic augmentation and accumulated an impressive service record.
Given that he was a valuable physician, and had a good track record when it came to serving in SF and 'the greater good' (in line with SF and UFP values/ideals), they made an exception.
For Dal, its different (he has no official service record, except for the fact he's sticking up for Starfleet and has been leading the Protostar in an attempt to rack up 'good deeds' just like any other SF captain would)... however, there IS something that we are missing.
Remember back at the relay station when Dal passed through the bio scanner?
Officer Brex mentioned that Dal should 'report to SF'.
Would the fact that he's genetically modified alone be sufficient reason for SF to detain Dal or 'put him away'?
Perhaps, but maybe there's a way for him to go through yet.
And also, Janeway might stick out her neck for Dal to get into SF too.
Hardly.
All I'm saying that SF officers on away teams should have their belts or wristbands loaded with transporter buffers that can hold a wide variety of things in them and that we should (finally) see 'personal shields' and TW beaming in the prime universe used for dangerous situations in the 24th century.
It makes more sense now why the Federation placed a ban on synthetic lifeforms. The attack on Mars, the fiasco with the Texas-class starships, and now this. Yeah, I would do the same.
I think there is an implication that the Gorn are now allies of the Federation, as Gwyn called for non-Federation allies and one of the ships that showed up was a Gorn trading vessel.
I think there is an implication that the Gorn are now allies of the Federation, as Gwyn called for non-Federation allies and one of the ships that showed up was a Gorn trading vessel.
Also I believe the depiction of present day Earth is intentionally kept consistent among all current Trek shows. For example, the Daystrom Institute has appeared in both LD and PIC, and looks basically identical in both (although it's slightly more built-up in PIC).
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Exciting episode, I smell a time-travelling finale.
A few observations…
The weapon seems to be centralised, this means that it could still be stopped by disabling the construct.
This copy of Drednok is really inept: he’s given free rein in taking out the crew and instead of killing them all he only incapacitates them for a few minutes!
Similarly, the living construct is taking its sweet time to destroy the fleet. But perhaps it’s intentional: the longer the ships are in distress the more can be lured in.
Long range communications doesn’t seem to be infected: the incoming ships only turn red after their arrival.
The Diviner apparently took a page out of Vader’s book for his redemption. Too late and too little, though.
The kiss was unexpected but nice, it doesn’t seem that Gwynn is that interested, though.
Speaking of Gwynn, that wasn’t really the time to have that conversation, especially as admiral Janeway promised she would vouch for *all* of them.
Looking forward to the finale, in any case. 8.
A few observations…
The weapon seems to be centralised, this means that it could still be stopped by disabling the construct.
This copy of Drednok is really inept: he’s given free rein in taking out the crew and instead of killing them all he only incapacitates them for a few minutes!
Similarly, the living construct is taking its sweet time to destroy the fleet. But perhaps it’s intentional: the longer the ships are in distress the more can be lured in.
Long range communications doesn’t seem to be infected: the incoming ships only turn red after their arrival.
The Diviner apparently took a page out of Vader’s book for his redemption. Too late and too little, though.
The kiss was unexpected but nice, it doesn’t seem that Gwynn is that interested, though.
Speaking of Gwynn, that wasn’t really the time to have that conversation, especially as admiral Janeway promised she would vouch for *all* of them.
Looking forward to the finale, in any case. 8.
I'm down.
"Quick, hand me the star-hypo."
"Activate the star-shields."
Yes, I could get behind this.
I mean, Vader's was rather too little, too late as well. What with the whole planet blowing up thing, and such.
Any redemption - even last-minute - is better than none at all.
And Vader had clearly been experiencing conflicting emotions over Luke - his son - ever since learning of his existence and trying to convert him to the Dark Side. The moment where Vader slowly walks over the railing of the walkway of the Imperial base on Endor and silently gazes out into the night shows that as evil as he'd become Anakin was still alive deep inside him.
i won’t argue with that. And neither would he, probably, given he pretty much decided to die afterwards (lost the will to live?).
Ascencia's Drednok is far too nice, maybe "The Order" mixed up the Drednok's between the Diviner and Ascencia and she got the nice, even-tempered one* and the Diviner got his more murderous cousin whose temperament is closer to Ascencia's (right down to the "you're his biggest mistake")
*: when not proposing to chuck vice-admirals out of airlocks
Good point about the leisurely pace (maybe intentional) of the construct. The Starfleet vessels are firing their weapons in about the same tempo as the Ent-D in Generations, like one shot every 5 minutes per vessel (and certainly not use torpedoes and phasers at the same time, or use anywhere near a full spread or all phaser banks at once). Gives them still a chance to salvage something, I suppose.
The Diviner may be gone in this version, but we have to come across his younger incarnation. He may truly become the Diviner then, with very useful knowledge of a future. Looking forward to see what his relationship with Gwyn will be like. He probably won't be that much older than her. It may have been too little too late, but I suppose it will help her that she is finally not considered a mistake or a liability by someone of the Vau N'akat.
Admiral Janeway promised to vouch for all of them and no doubt she will keep her word, but as admiral Jellico didn't listen to her regarding the neutral zone, I fear so will Starfleet Command/HR not listen to her in this matter. It will take another kind of pressure to make them change their minds.
Now with Gwyn becoming a local celebrity after her performance, and the others bar Dal also being enticing targets for Starfleet recruitment, I think they will have to make them applying for Starfleet conditionnel on Dal getting to join as well. And probably make that condition (semi)public, so it could cause an uproar if Starfleet decides they can do without them (in spite of everything they will probably have done to save Starfleet, at that point). And get a number of other Starfleet officers on their side as well (Chakotay for one, but if they and/or VA Janeway could convince someone like Jellico or Picard of their worth that would be helpful as well).
or perhaps he softened up with all the masquerading as a coffee table!
A further thought regarding joining Starfleet: Gwyn's priority, once they have managed to deactivate/stop the construct, may well be to seek out Solum. Since Solum is probably not exactly near the core Federation worlds, it may require a vessel with the capacities of the Protostar or Dauntless to reach it in a quick and convenient way (though a vessel with high conventional warp and access to transwarp conduits apparently can do it too, but using the Protostar would be simpler and less risky, and it happens to be the ship they have access too).
Another potential priority is going to get Chakotay through some form of timetravel, possibly with VA Janeway somehow joining in that case.
So, applying for Starfleet simply may not be something they will even try in the near future. They have alot on their plate already.
Another potential priority is going to get Chakotay through some form of timetravel, possibly with VA Janeway somehow joining in that case.
So, applying for Starfleet simply may not be something they will even try in the near future. They have alot on their plate already.
That was pretty good, thought they'd just catch it in time, but nope,and ships being asundered.
So.. Time travel, by effecting the time line.. What happens to the travelers in the future ??
Chakota is in Solums future where contact happened. Now it seems it doesn't. What happens to him?
World reforms around him?
Disappears as the mainline chakota doesn't go to the future?
Or just a separate branch is formed?
So.. Time travel, by effecting the time line.. What happens to the travelers in the future ??
Chakota is in Solums future where contact happened. Now it seems it doesn't. What happens to him?
World reforms around him?
Disappears as the mainline chakota doesn't go to the future?
Or just a separate branch is formed?
I'd guess a separate branch is formed, and he's still there.
Also, first contact may still happen in the present timeline. Starfleet will not be destroyed completely, given it is still very much around only a year or so later, when Utopia Planitia gets blown up by Tal Shiar sabotage (as shown in Picard S1, in flashback).
Moreover, the Protogies will likely make first contact themselves (even if they are not strictly Starfleet nor the Federation, they do embody its ideals in the most pure form), maybe not openly but they are likely to have a huge impact on the development of that world. I very much doubt the message of this show is going to be that nothing can or indeed should be done about Solum. They are going to fix it.
When did we see the crew of a Sovereign? I’ll need to watch it again.
I remember someone (Aaron Waltke?) implying that we’d see the 2385-era PIC uniforms appear at some point, the closer we got to that time period.
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