Wouldn't the Living Construct be designed to disable escape pods as well?
Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x19 - "Supernova, Part 1"
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Depends on whether there is a manual escape function that can operate independent of the ship, which would make sense for an escape pod.
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That's the replacement Defiant from the final episodes of DS9.
This was a somber but entertaining episode. This is how you have a cliffhanger, and this is one of Trek's best in years. A 10 for sure.
That's the replacement Defiant from the final episodes of DS9.
This was a somber but entertaining episode. This is how you have a cliffhanger, and this is one of Trek's best in years. A 10 for sure.
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The USS Thunderchild would survive this event, as it was part of the armada helping the Singularity close the opening to the transwarp corridor in 2401.
Some Klingons (not Martok though) would be glad; with Starfleet gone, they could conquer whatever part of the Federation that they wanted and extort the rest in return for their doubtful "protection". And the only reason the Romulans would care is the impact on the proposed evacuation, as under any other circumstances they would be applauding the construct.
I was surprised they actually let the weapon be activated - it was a good episode, but the minutes after the construct started doing its thing were horror like, really. Especially once they revealed other Starships were still warping in (though they should easily be able to stop that with VA Janeway and the Protostar being able to transmit messages). I like fleet action in Star Trek as much as anyone, but I did not want it in this episode.
Time travel will almost certainly come in play at some point, at least in order to save Chakotay, but I wonder if they would manage to get a do-over for the 22 minutes of this episode or if the results will stick. And if the latter, if any of those vessels will still be salvageable.
My jaw is on the floor from all the carnage. I also wonder if there will be a reset button of sorts, next week. While they will do more timetravel, I'm not sure if they will really undo all this and if not, at best they might stop the construct before all the ships are totalled. Realistically, people would be dying en masse as well, in such a situation.
It's about time, Prodigy has been teasing this since the very first episode.
That Gwyn had (at least) a crush on Dal was already clear from her second scene in the pilot (with masterful animation and voice acting to get that nuance). And the other way round has been shown many times since the closing scene of "Dream catcher". I think some people thought that Dal's reaction to Okona - starting already in "Crossroads" - was because he seemed to be a better captain and was loved by the crew, but taking everything together it's clear that it was jealousy about Gwyn that triggered Dal and other grievances (like catching Murf, pointing out Noble Isle,...) were secondary.
While the game was certainly clear about it, Dal was already shown to be more than interested in the first half of the season.It became clear in the game that he was interested. I was hoping for something less conventional, like Gwyn & Jankom, or Dal & Zero
The pilot left it a bit ambiguous whether or not Dal was just as much (or more) interested in Gwyn as the other way round, since he could have merely been cozying up to the daughter of the boss. Indeed, the interaction between Dal and Gwyn directly after the escape from Tars Lamora suggested that he had no feelings for her, now that she was no longer useful to him, other than grievances from the slavery situation. It wasn't until she crashed in the shuttle that his body language suddenly showed concern over her wellbeing (at odds with his words), and his attitude changed drastically from hostile to caring after she broke with her father. Once that barrier was gone, he already tripped up in "A moral star" with his "I can't risk losing us". Dal likes to hide his feelings, but he is often an open book anyway.
The Diviner's "she met a boy..." wasn't entirely wrong either.
When the Diviner died (and cool way to die without the need for a funeral/burial!), Gwyn seemed to absorb something from him. Possibly knowledge. I thought she may be able to use that to stop the living construct, but apparently not as she didn't present it as an option in the minutes that followed. Ascencia also claimed that she couldn't stop it (which she didn't want to anyway). I doubt it can be talked down with a rousing speech though, especially considering Gwyn already had two such speeches in season 1B.
If the Diviner did not give her info useful in stopping the construct, he may have communicated the location of Solum to her, and/or the reasons for the Vau N'akat civil war.
Well, not if they get destroyed. Which it seem is happening in the last minutes of this episode.
I also think it was Ella Purnell.
Ascencia is a nasty piece of work. Her Drednok is actually rather nice as far as Drednoks go, going to great lengths to incapacitate rather than kill the Protogies (and that despite clear orders to eliminate them!). Guess he, too, is the weak one amongst the Drednoks. Pity the crew didn't have a Caitian among them, the only weapon known to be effective against a Drednok are a cats claws.
The Diviner has been confused ever since Ascencia (more or less) returned his memories. In this episode, he didn't seem to know whether he wanted to destroy Starfleet or find a solution through talking. Ascencia doesn't respect him in the slightest, I now wonder why she even went to the trouble of revealing herself to jog his memory. She would have been better off going it alone. It's a sobering thought that the Diviner, the slaver of Tars Lamora, is considered to be a weakling by others in "The Order". He's too nice.
Apparently the Diviner (we still don't know his name!) tried to unite the Vau N'akat at some point, and failed. It's hard to see how Gwyn, an outsider, could possibly be more succesful. Even in death, he still keeps piling up the pressure on his daughter.
I had expected him to intervene between Gwyn and Ascencia (and it was not a surprise that Gwyn lost her fight from the ruthless and experienced Ascencia), but I did not expect him to unceremoniously lose and be killed. I prefer to have the Diviner as a villain/antagonist rather than Ascencia, so kind off a bummer (if no reset button gets used next week). Though even if the older Diviner is now gone from the show for good, they may still encounter a much younger version on Solum in the present so we don't lose John Noble.
Apparently, Janeway did not tell the Protogies about Ascencia, as Gwyn didn't recognise her from their encounter at Denaxi depot, in Vau n'akat form.
It also seemed weird that they brought up the augment ban and Gwyn withheld the truth from Dal, only to divulge it (albeit in private) a few minutes later. Similarly, Janeway being released seemed rather pointless since she wasn't listened to in time.
And did Dal name Gwyn captain there, even if only temporarily for her distress call I suppose? Strange in an episode where Dal for once did pretty good as captain.
Surprised that Gwyn can speak Brikar, as she didn't seem to be aware of Rok (and her age) before she boarded the Protostar. Maybe she has been learning it during her time on the ship. Nice to see her skills be useful, but it all seems to be in vain for the time being.
Not only the Diviner was confused in this episode, Gwyn also seemed torn between resisting her father and still yearning for his love and approval. In that sense, his final scene must have come as something of a relief with that approval finally given. Given her reaction to his death, I think she must have been rather upset (to some extent) at the treatment of her father by the others, post-Tars Lamora. There were hints of that in "Asylum", but she didn't show this suspected disapproval to the others. Given how much reason Dal and co have to hate the Diviner, it was nice of them to show compassion/understanding for her grief.
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A great penultimate episode, which just steadily builds up the tension, allows for a brief false reprieve, and then truly tilts us into "all is lost" for the finale. I liked the return to focus on Gwyn, who has been sorely underused during the most recent run of episodes. I also loved the thematic core of Gwyn's speech, saying basically that Starfleet was all about accepting you as you are no matter what. It felt like a very contemporary message, and one children could identify with. The deep-cut reference to the VOY episode Counterpoint was a nice touch as well.
I don't have any major quibbles, but I do have a few minor quibbles. First, Ascencia was just a little bit too mustache twirl for me. I was fine with her as the antagonist, but I felt like they were leaning just a bit too hard into how much she was enjoying it here, though I guess kiddies like it if you play things broadly. Secondly, I felt like this episode felt a little too much the Gwyn & Dal show, with the other kids pushed way back as supporting characters - which isn't the best IMHO because teamwork is one of the core themes of the show. I mean, it did come through a bit in the fight with Drednok 2.0, but still, it seemed very much "on the side."
I don't have any major quibbles, but I do have a few minor quibbles. First, Ascencia was just a little bit too mustache twirl for me. I was fine with her as the antagonist, but I felt like they were leaning just a bit too hard into how much she was enjoying it here, though I guess kiddies like it if you play things broadly. Secondly, I felt like this episode felt a little too much the Gwyn & Dal show, with the other kids pushed way back as supporting characters - which isn't the best IMHO because teamwork is one of the core themes of the show. I mean, it did come through a bit in the fight with Drednok 2.0, but still, it seemed very much "on the side."
They really do.
RIP.Well, not if they get destroyed. Which it seem is happening in the last minutes of this episode.
Agreed on the Ent-D, it should have been firing everything like mad. That was such a dumb loss, only because TPTB wanted to ditch the ship because it supposedly wasn't cinematically enough. They could have just given it a new, more cinema-friendly bridge module instead, and some new cinema-standard sets depicting rooms not shown in the series (like the main shuttlebay) ...
As for the Defiant, the ship was lost in the Dominion War (to the Breen weapon). The Defiant that was in service therafter is a sister ship that got renamed (probably while still under construction; a similar thing happened in WW2 when lost aircraft carriers got their name reused on some of the new Essex-class ships, as happened with Lexington and Yorktown). In the Trek universe, it may also have happened with the Enterprise-A.
Chakotay will probably only be (properly) addressed in season 2, and I suspect this will be an entire story arc of its own.
Agreed on the Diviner. I think it would have been better if he would have turned in a more deliberate way (actually stopping the weapon from being deployed), not getting his hand forced by Ascencia's actions. And I greatly prefer him over Ascencia, both as villain and as someone to be (potentially) redeemed.
Gwyn was indeed underused in the last 3 episodes or so, and arguably she hasn't been really prominent in any of the episodes since "let sleeping Borg lie", with the exception of "Masquerade".. But it was to be expected that the final would focus on the Vau N'akat and thus inevitably on Gwyn, and so they may have given the others the spotlight for those "calmer" episodes.
Ironically, Starfleet would accept everybody but Dal. They need to work on that.
It was nice of Dal to say he would still want the others to go join Starfleet, but I suspect none of them will attempt to enter Starfleet if Dal gets refused on that particular ground.
As an aside: since we now know that the Diviner was initially pro-Starfleet, and that he at one point tried to unite the Vau N'akat, and is seen as a softie by (at least some) other members of "The Order", I think we can say that Starfleet/the Federation probably didn't act 100% nice and correct if he finally got bitter at Starfleet, to the state he was in at Tars Lamora. I don't think this is going to be a black-and-white story with Starfleet 100% clean and the Diviner's original faction being 100% wrong about their non-interference and thus lack of help.
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Jorg Hillebrand on Twitter has spotted another shot of a Sovereign that has 1701-E on the nacelle, but this one also has USS Sovereign on the saucer. So I guess it is an error. Oops. So how does this work, canonically the Enterprise was there and also not there?
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1605985397682511872?s=46&t=Lim1gR3Gft1KqGxbztBY2g
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1605985397682511872?s=46&t=Lim1gR3Gft1KqGxbztBY2g
Gwyn's closing message of "Starfleet is for everyone!" was heartwarming, but at the same time we know it's false, since it's not for Dal.
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I would have liked to see a redemption arc for him. I think he has good intentions but does so in villainous ways, if that makes sense. He wanted to save his people from annihilation, and I think the relationship between he and Gwyn could have been built back together over time. I'm actually not liking Ascensia being the main villain now that I think about it. It was almost like they shifted from Diviner to Ascensia and weren't entirely clear as to why.
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I find it interesting that both Prodigy and SNW are dealing with Starfleet's problem with genetic augmentation. I wonder how much they two writing rooms know about what the other is planning. I sort of expect Prodigy to show us the end/loosening of the Augment ban, given the tone the various episodes have taken. Really though, Dal should be let into Starfleet, since he wasn't responsible for his augmentations. We'll never know how Starfleet would have reacted if Bashir had come clean in the beginning, they were pissed about him actively hiding it, though.
Jorg Hillebrand on Twitter has spotted another shot of a Sovereign that has 1701-E on the nacelle, but this one also has USS Sovereign on the saucer. So I guess it is an error. Oops. So how does this work, canonically the Enterprise was there and also not there?
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1605985397682511872?s=46&t=Lim1gR3Gft1KqGxbztBY2g
I’m pretty sure they are all supposed to be just generic Starfleet vessels. Sure, I suppose the ones we saw in closeups could ostensibly be the Defiant, the Centaur and the Sovereign, but the rest are just…there, despite whatever was written on their hulls.
The Hageman brothers have said in interviews that all the present showrunners communicate with each other (the coordination between Lower Decks and Prodigy regarding Okona's eye patch is usually given as an example). It's probably not a coincidence that both shows are tackling it; I expect Una to get an exception of sorts (and probably a classified one) while Dal's situation may end up changing the whole policy for good.
As for Bashir, if he had a chance to enter Starfleet despite being an augment, there wouldn't have been a need to lie in the first place. I think he was finally allowed to stay merely because he was so good and because Starfleet wasn't in a luxury position where they could afford to let such a good doctor go, given the situation with the Dominion. If he had been honest, he would not have had his service record nor would Starfleets situation have been as desperate, I think they would have flatout refused him.
Interesting, she can really vary her voice (I think she did "proofread" for Gwyn and maybe other parts in early season 1 episodes, due to Corona still being a thing then)! Bonnie Gordon is also a regular on the videos, done after each Prodigy episode, of the 7th rule: https://www.youtube.com/@The7thRule/videos
No doubt, her part will come up on the coming video about Supernova, part 1.
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That's a strong possibility, but we can't really be sure without knowing exactly what the regulation says. Bashir says "Any genetically enhanced human being is barred from serving in Starfleet", yet O'Brien says they can't be sure how Starfleet will react, so the rule isn't explicit. Plus in the end he is indeed allowed to stay in the service, so it can't be iron clad. His father took responsibility to resolve the situation, making me think the underlying issue was the coverup not the crime. Also, if Bashir had come clean when he tried to join he would have gotten his parents in trouble, so that was never an option, even if it was technically possible.
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