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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x16 - "Preludes"

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So the shoe is on the other foot. Janeway had Tuvok infiltrate the Maquis to stop their aggression against Federation policy, and now a covert agent has infiltrated her crew with intent to stop the Federation.

Karma. Wow.

Third time it happened. The Cardassians did it as well, bit their operative didn't have her cover blown by Janeway. And the Federation had done it before, but that operative turned traitor and joined them for real. And it's a safe bet there were other attempts.
 
We could make a list of every notable spy in the VOY series and its tie-ins. :rommie:

This is the most ships we've seen in a single Prodigy production, IIRC.
 
I gave that a 9, as I loved the focus on the different backgrounds whilst the crew were waiting for repairs.

It's not quite up there with my favourite episode so far, Kobayashi, yet there was still a lot of compelling moments both for the characters, and for the ongoing plot.
 
The stories were good, but I do still have some questions about Rok-Tahk origins. Who were her parents (if such a concept is applicable to her species)? Is her species native to the Delta Quadrant? How did she end up in the arena in the first place?
Rok-Tahk is a Brikar, and her species is native to the Alpha quadrant. Her story tells us the least in some ways (though it is an extra explanation for her reluctance to fight, on top of being the equivalent of an 8-year old girl who just wants to hug, that is), because it merely changes the question from "how did she end up in Tars Lamora" to "how did she end up in that show".

I've noticed the Prometheus sillhouete being upside down too... that was another thing that was odd about the whole recount.
It could have been intentional for the purpose of showing the warped perspective of the Vindicator, but it could have also been a mistake from the art dept. (which would kinda be a big mistake for something like this... but these ARE the same people who portrayed the Diviner at the end of the 10th epiosoe without his suit alone on Tars Lamora, and then in a coma in his suit when the Dauntless found him).
I don't think the Diviner on Tars Lamora was a mistake - it was showing his own mind, what he was thinking/imagining inside. A metaphor for being "left in the ruins of a world of his own making".

As for a four-nacelle starship being shown: this makes it clear that it wasn't the Protostar who made first contact (in the original timeline). I liked the explanation about the unstable wormhole, establishing that the Vau N'akat had no control over the time travel and leaving open the possibility for other agents of the "The Order" to turn up along the way.

Otherwise, contrary to what seems to be the majority sentiment, I think this episode was not quite as good as the strong run of episodes before it, maybe because they chose to group the stories all together in one episode. I also thought that the more serious tone of Ascencia's part contrasted strongly with the playful tone of Jankom's story.

This episode confirms, I think, that Gwyn was not aware of Rok (especially not of her being a young child) as she shows no (extra) guilt over her part. I'll bet that Brikar is one language she doesn't understand/speak and maybe couldn't possibly speak due to they way a Brikar produces sound. Loved the touch of Gwyn being there with Zero and showing guilt over it, I think she was supposed to be 3-4 years younger there.

We learn a lot from the episode, but at the same time many questions remain. We now have the backstories of Jankom and Zero (and earlier Gwyn) pegged, but the question remains how Rok-Tahk ended up alone in that arena. Dal's story has been half-resolved, we still don't know who exactly created him (and with what purpose) and how he ended up with Nandi.

As for the Vau N'akat, Asencia remains very vague about why the civil war erupted. It does seem like the Vau N'akat were already pretty advanced at the time of first contact, though the fleet of ships (Rev-#) may be a later creation (and those are possibly dedicated warships). An interesting point was that the Diviner originally was part of a faction that was pro-Starfleet, later turning against it. It also seems clear that there were still some Vau n'Akat left alive on Solum, when the 100 ships left (it does seem extremely unlikely there would be exact one surviving Vau n'akat per vessel). The exact nature of the relationship between Asencia and Diviner is left open, though so far it seems they are simply colleagues in "the order". A third prominent Vau n'Akat was shown in this episode, we may see that one again, later.

Interesting about developments on the Dauntless: Tysess has intercepted one of the bounty calls of the Diviner (clever; hadn't thought of that as an option for the Dauntless crew to get meaningful info on the Protogies) and Asencia didn't seem to have much of a plan for what to do when someone wants to visit the Diviner. I'm guessing they won't be able to just take over the Dauntless (lots of crew to overpower) and they may take Janeway hostage instead.

As for "why did she betray us": while "she met a boy" was funny and not incorrect, the Diviner did leave out that he was enslaving children and that he left her to die on murder planet. That played a bit of a role, too ;)

Asencia infiltrated Starfleet at most 3 years ago, so she probably skipped Starfleet Academy and merely did some hacking to give herself a backstory and credentials (or maybe there was/is a real Trill Ascencia taken captive). She specifically sought out Janeway, since she would be searching for Chakotay.
 
Another observation regarding Jankom: his story, though presented in an entirely comical matter, may be even harder than it looks at first glance. He was already an orphan (and, so it seems, already fitted with a prosthetic) when he was a trainee-engineer on the sleeper ship. Seems like he was genuinely an "unwanted", unlike Zero and Gwyn (jury still out on Dal and Rok).

I wonder if Chakotay managed to re-activate holo-Janeway and she was the one who took the Protostar back through the anomaly. Though she doesn't seem to recall any of it. Still, something was steering the ship without crew onboard.

If Asencia and the Diviner end up holding Janeway captive (either onboard the Dauntless or on a ship they escape in), that offers an opportunity for the admiral to reason with them. One or the other may finally be swayed, yet.

Which of the two would be more likely to get swayed? The Diviner was, apparently, originally pro-Starfleet and he has the connection to Gwyn, but then he has been shown to be needlessly cruel and he turned his back on Starfleet. Ascencia was apparently always against Starfleet, but maybe 3 years of being part of it has rubbed off on her to some extent.

I don't like the name "The Vindicator" much, at least not in relation to "the Diviner". The latter always seemed to be a name taken in the context of Tars Lamora, as a larger-than-life figure who could foretell the future (because he is from the future). But now, it seems those are just fancy callsigns for agents of The Order.
 
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Asencia infiltrated Starfleet at most 3 years ago, so she probably skipped Starfleet Academy and merely did some hacking to give herself a backstory and credentials (or maybe there was/is a real Trill Ascencia taken captive).
yes, I think that her replacing a preexisting Starfleet officer is the only sensible explanation: three years are far to little to get in that position (and how would she get posted on the right ship at the right time, also?).
 
I keep thinking that if the Medusan ships are Federation-built, they ought to have a unique registry number prefix (EG: NCC, NAR, NSP, YDT, etc..), right?
 
yes, I think that her replacing a preexisting Starfleet officer is the only sensible explanation: three years are far to little to get in that position (and how would she get posted on the right ship at the right time, also?).
Vau N'Akat do seem to have extraordinary ability to learn, if Gwyn's prowess with languages (and general education) is any indication, and Asencia has been presented (in interviews) as being very intelligent and manipulative (to some extent, especially the latter has also been shown onscreen already). I think she could be capable of pulling it off, if she has falsified records to back everything up.

As for advancing that rapidly and to get posted on the right ship (and the right commander, as she specifically sought out Janeway rather than the Dauntless): we have seen that those Vau N'Akat, armed with knowledge from the future (including some knowledge of starfleet), are capable of hacking Starfleet computer systems. I suppose this isn't limited to attacks using the "living construct" (the one put on the Protostar was explicitly stated to be the last of its kind) and the Protostar, but also goes for other present-day Starfleet vessels and installations. After all, they managed to hack the Protostar to start with. So I think Ascencia, using her vessel and maybe a cloaking device (as the Rev-12 was equipped with one), could infiltrate Starfleet systems sufficiently to inject a made up history and credentials for herself, matching her disguise (probably provided by Dr. Jago). Of course, it's also possible there is a real Ascencia and she was kidnapped and/or murdered. If the latter, this will probably not be clarified on the show itself, giving its primary audience.

That Ascencia used the same name for the weapon as the Borg ("construct") seems to be an unlikely coincidence. Unless Zero did pick up the name up from the Diviner without realising it, why would the Collective come up with the exact same name as the Vau N'akat themselves will use many years in the future?

Chakotay being in the future, on Solum, may be an excuse to take Gwyn (and by extension, the other Protogies) along on a mission to retrieve him. Could be fodder for season 2.
 
I still have no idea how the Kazon were able to travel from the Delta Quadrant to the Alpha Quadrant and back so fast. Or that Ferengi woman who sold Dal to the Diviner, for that matter.
 
I still have no idea how the Kazon were able to travel from the Delta Quadrant to the Alpha Quadrant and back so fast. Or that Ferengi woman who sold Dal to the Diviner, for that matter.
Borg transwarp conduits, now largely deserted by the Borg, are the explanation given off-show.
 
Borg transwarp conduits, now largely deserted by the Borg, are the explanation given off-show.

Ok, when you say ‘off-show,’ what do you mean? Did someone on the production staff say this, or is it just random internet speculation?
 
Ok, when you say ‘off-show,’ what do you mean? Did someone on the production staff say this, or is it just random internet speculation?
It was someone from production, IIRC Aaron Waltke. I don't recall the exact interview or alternative source (twitter? reddit?) at this time.

Edit: I found one twitter-message from Aaron talking about it, but there was a more explicit interview where this idea was expanded upon. The tweet: https://twitter.com/GoodAaron/status/1584447633447264256

2nd edit: see https://trekmovie.com/2022/02/03/in...s-timelines-janeways-combadges-and-much-more/
 
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Huh. Ok. So now I’m wondering why Starfleet needed to have a protostar drive or a quantum slipstream drive at all, when all these conduits are there for any Tom, Dick, or Kazon to use…
 
Huh. Ok. So now I’m wondering why Starfleet needed to have a protostar drive or a quantum slipstream drive at all, when all these conduits are there for any Tom, Dick, or Kazon to use…
Starfleet has been shown to be hesitant about using the transwarp conduits. We see on Disco there was one right outside Starfleet Command that led straight to the dilithium planet that restored the Federation to its former glory. Yet Starfleet ignored it for over a hundred years.
 
Starfleet has been shown to be hesitant about using the transwarp conduits. We see on Disco there was one right outside Starfleet Command that led straight to the dilithium planet that restored the Federation to its former glory. Yet Starfleet ignored it for over a hundred years.
Well, they fear what's inside there. The Borg delved too greedily, too deep. Starfleet knows what they awoke inside...shadow and flame.
 
Starfleet has been shown to be hesitant about using the transwarp conduits. We see on Disco there was one right outside Starfleet Command that led straight to the dilithium planet that restored the Federation to its former glory. Yet Starfleet ignored it for over a hundred years.

Well, they fear what's inside there. The Borg delved too greedily, too deep. Starfleet knows what they awoke inside...shadow and flame.

I’m not really buying those reasons. If mental midgets like the Kazon can use them, or the Ferengi, there’s no reason why Starfleet would be holding back.
 
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