Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x16 - "Preludes"

[DEWLine]

The only retcon with the Kazon would be that the various Kazon sects were scattered all through the Delta Quadrant instead of the one small portion we saw in the first couple of seasons of VOY.

Scattered across a relatively small patch of the outer rim of the Delta Quadrant, yes. Rimward side of the Delta portion of what we call the Sagittarius-Carina Arm, I think. All their sects combined held maybe as much space between them as "local space" defined by the Federation.

 

[tomalak301]

This was the best episode of Prodigy in the second half of the season. Loved getting the backstories, but I was a little confused. Chakotay and crew are stuck in the future or is it preasent day? I watched that scene again and still was not sure. I felt really bad for Rok, being used to fight in some gladiatorial show. That was so sad how that ended. As for Jankom, it was nice to finally get the backstory for him. He really was more of the side character in this series up to this point so to see the character finally fleshed out was welcome. Like Gwyn said, what he did was true royalty.

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[Weyoun 251]

That is what the Medusan ship looked like in TOS-Remastered

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Medusan_vessel


No it doesn’t. It just shows he hired mostly Kazon.

Nice one mate - I've not seen all of TOS, remastered or otherwise.

I thought it was showing that they were part of the Fed and so had a ship from them.

 

[The_Baroness]

I really liked that Pog is from a time before the Federation. Explains why he'd never heard of them.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Vice-Admiral Janeway goes from enjoying Chopin to getting a karate chop in the neck!Sublime.

Holo Janeway begins a dog tale...

ET and Zero have something in common.

I wonder if Chakotay's avian crewman ever mentions Peanut Hamper?

 

[David cgc]

I thought it was showing that they were part of the Fed and so had a ship from them.

That was pretty much the idea behind the design. Since Medusans don't have bodies per se, they wouldn't construct conventional technology, so the Federation would've helped them build starships, clearly of Starfleet design but adapted for their specific needs.

 

[Oddish]

Prodigy continues to gather steam. It's exciting enough for kids to enjoy, but it's full blown Trek and one of the best nu Trek series running. I look forward to seeing where this plot goes, and wish the show a long run.

 

[AnimationAdmiral]

Are they retconning that all Kazon since the 2360s were working for this guy? Certainly looks like it.

Awfully rude of Janeway to just walk into her quarters. She could have been not decent.

Probably just one sect/ship that found the Borg transwarp post-“Endgame”, ventured out and became mercenaries.

This was the best episode of Prodigy in the second half of the season. Loved getting the backstories, but I was a little confused. Chakotay and crew are stuck in the future or is it preasent day? I watched that scene again and still was not sure. I felt really bad for Rok, being used to fight in some gladiatorial show. That was so sad how that ended. As for Jankom, it was nice to finally get the backstory for him. He really was more of the side character in this series up to this point so to see the character finally fleshed out was welcome. Like Gwyn said, what he did was true royalty.

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Asencia says decades passed. So the timeline is approximately:

2381 or 82 - The Protostar is launched. After a time, it passes through a temporal anomaly and dissappears.

2383 - Dal and Rok find the empty Protostar buried in Tars Lamora and fly it out with the other Prodigies. After no responses from Chakotay to Starfleet Command, Admiral Janeway mans a rescue mission to track down Chakotay once a few protojumps are detected (done by our crew.)

2384 or 85 - A Federation ship, seemingly Prometheus class, makes first contact with Solum. Civil War erupts, and The Federation can’t intervene due to the Prime Directive. This is further complicated after the attack on Mars and Starfleet policy changes to be more isolationist due to loss of thousands of ships.

2385-2430(?) - After decades of civil warfare, a wormhole “tears open the sky” and the Protostar emerges. Chakotay and crew are captured. The Protostar is refitted into a Trojan horse ship with plans to send it back through the temporal wormhole over Solum. Chakotay and some of the remaining crew stage a prison break and, unable to board the ship, activate the launch sequence without a crew so it flies through the unstable time wormhole and is lost in the past. The other Vau N’akat also try to follow, but it collapses mid journey and only a few survived, landing in random points throughout history.

 

[valkyrie013]

That was good, nice to see there back stories.

One crit is it seems that Zero is conteporary in time, so why are the medusans still using the Tos style ship? You'd think the feds would provide an up to date ship for them? And didn't the glasses only work for vulcans? Humans couldn't view a medusan even with the glases, but the kazon could? Huh.

 

[Dukhat]

That was good, nice to see there back stories.

One crit is it seems that Zero is contemporary in time, so why are the medusans still using the Tos style ship? You'd think the feds would provide an up to date ship for them? And didn't the glasses only work for vulcans? Humans couldn't view a medusan even with the glases, but the kazon could? Huh.

The ship did look incredibly old and beaten up. But I suppose if it looked brand-new, then the audience would have been confused as to when Zero was kidnapped (i.e. The Kazon being in the Alpha Quadrant during TOS.) Of course, using the TOS-style goggles and container box wouldn't have helped the confusion. As for the ship's design, I think they just wanted to use it as a tribute rather than making a new design.

 

[cooleddie74]

It sort of fits in with the PIC Era Romulans still using 23rd century Bird-of-Preys that are essentially the TOS Romulan ship with more surface detail. I can buy a noncorporeal civilization like the Medusans sticking with what works and a 23rd century design being more than adequate for their travel needs even over 100 years later.

 

[Amaris]

I enjoyed it. Finally we get some backstory on the kids and how they got to where they met each other on Tars Lamora. I was especially interested in Rok-Tahk's story, as well as Jankom's but they were all good.

 

[tomalak301]

Probably just one sect/ship that found the Borg transwarp post-“Endgame”, ventured out and became mercenaries.



Asencia says decades passed. So the timeline is approximately:

2381 or 82 - The Protostar is launched. After a time, it passes through a temporal anomaly and dissappears.

2383 - Dal and Rok find the empty Protostar buried in Tars Lamora and fly it out with the other Prodigies. After no responses from Chakotay to Starfleet Command, Admiral Janeway mans a rescue mission to track down Chakotay once a few protojumps are detected (done by our crew.)

2384 or 85 - A Federation ship, seemingly Prometheus class, makes first contact with Solum. Civil War erupts, and The Federation can’t intervene due to the Prime Directive. This is further complicated after the attack on Mars and Starfleet policy changes to be more isolationist due to loss of thousands of ships.

2385-2430(?) - After decades of civil warfare, a wormhole “tears open the sky” and the Protostar emerges. Chakotay and crew are captured. The Protostar is refitted into a Trojan horse ship with plans to send it back through the temporal wormhole over Solum. Chakotay and some of the remaining crew stage a prison break and, unable to board the ship, activate the launch sequence without a crew so it flies through the unstable time wormhole and is lost in the past. The other Vau N’akat also try to follow, but it collapses mid journey and only a few survived, landing in random points throughout history.

Thanks for this. I was confused about one other thing. I've been seeing a lot of Jankom being from before the Federation. How old is he, and if he's considered young, how old to Tellerites live. It was a long time since the birth of the federation to when Prodigy takes place.

 

[cooleddie74]

He was in cryogenic freeze for likely most of the 200+ years, being released from his capsule and then going off to be kidnapped and taken to Tars Lamora all within a short amount of time after awakening. My guess is he was in the capsule from the 2140s or 2150s until perhaps the late 2370s.

 

[Oso Blanco]

One crit is it seems that Zero is conteporary in time, so why are the medusans still using the Tos style ship?

That ship never appeared in the original TOS, only in the crappy remaster!

 

[Dukhat]

That ship never appeared in the original TOS, only in the crappy remaster!

Yes, we’re all aware of that. It has nothing to do with the discussion.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Yes, we’re all aware of that. It has nothing to do with the discussion.

I think it does, because to my knowledge this is the first time that one of those revisionist changes to TOS have been made actual canon. At least the ship design, not the actual appearance in TOS.

 

[cooleddie74]

The TOS Remastered Antares science vessel design(reused for the automated freighter Woden) was used in a field of ship parts and wreckage in LD.

 

[valkyrie013]

I think it does, because to my knowledge this is the first time that one of those revisionist changes to TOS have been made actual canon. At least the ship design, not the actual appearance in TOS.

Well in the original, there was no vessel at all. So showing a medusan vessel, kinda have to go TOS-R

 

[Oso Blanco]

Well in the original, there was no vessel at all. So showing a medusan vessel, kinda have to go TOS-R

Exactly. And the canon status of TOS-R is still very vague, I still think it was a big mistake to mess things up like that.