Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x10 - "A Moral Star, Part 2"

[JoaquinSlowly]

The article mentions the author consulted with the screenwriters, so some of the dates may have come from their talks that haven't made it on screen yet (and thus could be subject to change)

That’s fair. I think it’s worth noting that the only portion the article mentioned was verified by the Hagemans was that they said the “50 years from now” figure sounded right, so the approximated 50 years from 2383 is supported.

But nothing in the interview mentions or suggests that the Hagemans weighed in on the Diviner being sent back to 2366, and that supposition seems to directly contradict the dialogue that The Diviner and Drednok exchanged in Kobayashi saying they’d already been mining for years ahead of the flashback. So for the time being I’m taking that portion with a grain of salt and assuming the Diviner and Drednok went years further back than 2366 based on what’s onscreen, until we learn otherwise.

 

[Corran Horn]

Makes sense, they were probably re-creating Slipstream on a ship that could stand up to it and that requires a very specific hull configuration.

I get that as a no-prize answer, but it's a hell of a coincidence that the fake ship (including the name) was a real design/ship.

(I now see there are some design difference in the aft of the ship)

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I'm starting to think an alternate future timeline is involved somehow in the Protostar. That there was some crossover to the Prime timeline from a future that no longer exists from the perspective of the live action series.

Maybe, but the Prime Universe Janeway is looking for the Protostar’s Protowarp signature, and searching for Chakotay, which would point to Chakotay and the ship having gone missing from the Prime Universe already at that point.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's confusing to be sure but deeply fascinating. Either that commbadge is a production error or we're in for a fun ride.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Am I the only one thinking that Solum's first contact with the Federation ends up being a predestination paradox? The Diviner going back in time to stop Federation first contact kicks off the events that end up causing it to happen. He caused what he's trying to prevent.

Prodigy is about introducing a lot of Star Trek concepts to new audiences so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

It's confusing to be sure but deeply fascinating. Either that commbadge is a production error or we're in for a fun ride.

In the article @Yistaan linked to above the Hagemans are quoted and said to confirm that Janeway was our Prime Vice Admiral Janeway, and that she’s not involved in the time travel shenanigans, so it would seem that the Picard badges that look like the AGT/Endgame badges are an evolution directly from them, as it’s now canon.

‪‪I think just like the Cerritos and other California Class ships with their unique Delta badges in operation while the Titan still used the DS9/Voyager/TNG movie style badge, that the Protostar had its own unique Delta design. And with the creators saying the Protostar’s uniforms are mission/ship specific, it lends some credence to the idea that their Deltas/comm badges are as well.

 

[cooleddie74]

That's good to know. At least now we know those commbadges were, to paraphrase Thanos, inevitable.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'm thinking that maybe they're setting up a Fugitive-style premise for the next half of the season. The kids are going to discover the Diviner's weapon, which may involve not being able to risk even communicating with a Starfleet vessel (which might be a genuine risk if there's a virus involved), so they're going to actively avoid, and be pursued by, Admiral Janeway. In effect, she'll be the "big bad" of the storyline, thinking that they're just thieves.

Its just the way he said it... sounded like the words were partly swallowed/mashed together, hence the lack of clarity.

I can definitely see how you heard it that way.

A 10.

Warthog.

 

[cooleddie74]

Why yes, I do often carry brave soldiers into battle and occasionally mount automatic weapons.

 

[YouAreDooomed]

Just close your eyes, guys, or at least Dal could cover hers.
The Diviner shouldn't get left behind that way.
The rest of the ep. was very good.

This also explains why the 'alternate future' badge was in the Kobayashi Maru simulation - it was the primary badge at the time!

Don't forget about these guys.

2380

Well, it looks like Starfleet made its own real USS Dauntless and Admiral Janeway is its commanding officer.

The exterior of the ship looks a bit... weird though. Not an exact replica but close enough... some lines do interrupt the flow, but it does seem like when Janeway ordered the VOY crew to get to know how the ship works from the inside and out, it was more than enough for SF to make its own Slipstream dedicated ship it seems (in fact, I'm quite certain it has its own Slipstream drive).

They go to "maximum warp" at the end, so I doubt they got QS but who knows.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Why yes, I do often carry brave soldiers into battle and occasionally mount automatic weapons.

You should blow up tanks more often.

 

[Deks]

They go to "maximum warp" at the end, so I doubt they got QS but who knows.

I know Janeway ordered Maximum Warp... but its possible/likely that they were within relative short range of the Protostar by using Warp alone.
No need to use the QS drive in that case unless the distance was huge.

That said, why would SF bother recreating the Dauntless if it DIDN'T have the QS drive?
Unless that particular hull geometry was also better suited for Warp and allowed higher sustained Warp velocities past 9.9 without much power going to SIF and allowing speeds to be close to Quantum Slipstream V1 (which would actually be just under Warp 9.975 incidentally - you know, the speed VOY was supposed to have as a maximum sustainable speed but never could in fact come close to due to the premise that 9.9 was basically 45 seconds from a hull collapse).

 

[Roald]

Even though I loved the ep and PRO in general, I must ask: WHY so over complicated..?? We are already at a lost how, why and specifically WHEN things took place; seems unnecessary and I think the writers should have just avoided this……

 

[Yistaan]

Even though I loved the ep and PRO in general, I must ask: WHY so over complicated..?? We are already at a lost how, why and specifically WHEN things took place; seems unnecessary and I think the writers should have just avoided this……

For all the talk (and criticism) about Prodigy just being a kids' show, this seems to have the most complicated time travel scenario in over 50 years of Trek. And considering how often Trek has relied on time travel going back to the 1960s show, that's saying a lot.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I'm thinking that maybe they're setting up a Fugitive-style premise for the next half of the season. The kids are going to discover the Diviner's weapon, which may involve not being able to risk even communicating with a Starfleet vessel (which might be a genuine risk if there's a virus involved), so they're going to actively avoid, and be pursued by, Admiral Janeway. In effect, she'll be the "big bad" of the storyline, thinking that they're just thieves.

You totally nailed it.

This is exactly how it’s described by co-creator Kevin Hageman in a new CinemaBlend interview.

[Janeway’s ship is] the Dauntless 2. So, people should look closely at that. This is not the same Dauntless. This is actually a Starfleet version of it. When we were creating the twenty-episode arc of Season 1, we knew The Diviner was going to be taking a step out, and there needed to be a new sort of antagonist. And Dan and I were like, ‘We have Hologram Janeway. We’re in the same space that the real Janeway could be there.’ And so we were suddenly talking about [how] she could become the sort-of antagonist for the back ten [episodes.] Sort of like Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive, right? Where you love Harrison Ford, but you also love Tommy Lee Jones hunting him down and doing his job.

 

[Yistaan]

Super secret post credit scene!

Murf slinks away unnoticed and activates an encrypted subspace channel.

Murf: I have good news for you my lord. The Federation's destruction has begun.
Krall: Excellent. Everything is going as planned.

 

[Deks]

For all the talk (and criticism) about Prodigy just being a kids' show, this seems to have the most complicated time travel scenario in over 50 years of Trek. And considering how often Trek has relied on time travel going back to the 1960s show, that's saying a lot.

Complicated?
Maybe not.
We just don't know the full picture yet to pinpoint exact sequence of events, and while a lot of it remains sketchy, we can speculate with reasonable degree of accuracy on what may have happened and when. Also, this is how a proper time travel paradox or story is probably supposed to be told in Trek.

I think if anything it will get the kids fascinated and keep them interested in more.

 

[Deks]

Super secret post credit scene!

Murf slinks away unnoticed and activates an encrypted subspace channel.

Murf: I have good news for you my lord. The Federation's destruction has begun.
Krall: Excellent. Everything is going as planned.

I HATE you.
I just went back to double check the end credits and there's no such scene.

 

[Deks]

On the other end, seeing Vice Admiral Janeway got me excited.
I want to see the rest of the VOY crew now on Prodigy... one way or another.

 

[cooleddie74]

You should blow up tanks more often.

What I do to septic systems is between myself and Taco Bell.