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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x10 - "A Moral Star, Part 2"

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After a whole season of saying this crew is the spirit of Starfleet, leaving their brain damaged enemy in slave mines to suffer is probably as anti-Starfleet as you get. It's not like they left him off at a hospital or something.

Excellent point. His redemption might generate a Season 2 or 3 arc, when the kids, ahem, crew learn about new expressions of compassion. He'll be the unDiviner whose mind is broken like...hmm...Walter Bishop from our universe...and finds gentleness and peace through his Progeny's ministrations.

Be a shame to let John Noble's excellent range go to waste here.

For now, even Khan had a better exile.
 
Ah, they should have played it up for all it's worth.

Zero: There are some things far more frightening than death.
Diviner: Revenge is not the Starfleet way.
Zero: I'm not Starfleet.

Zero unleashes and the Diviner screams in agony. Then Paramount waits for the nasty letters to come in from the mouse running that other Star franchise. :eek:
 
After a whole season of saying this crew is the spirit of Starfleet, leaving their brain damaged enemy in slave mines to suffer is probably as anti-Starfleet as you get. It's not like they left him off at a hospital or something.

Yup, that was extremly anti-starfleet of the kids to do.
And heck, even holo-Janeway didn't make a counter argument for that in her log.
It's either that, or someone was left behind to take care of the Diviner (otherwise, I don't see how he could eat or do anything really - he could literally wither away and die from self-neglect due to his condition).
He should have probably been placed in an isolation room on the Protostar, or the brig.

I'm guessing the "17 years ago" thing from before means the Diviner accidentally jumped too far back in time, and Drednok's attack and subsequent crashing of the Protostar was only a few years ago? The revelation that it's indeed our Chakotay who commanded the Protostar does not clear up the timeline issues at all, and in fact makes them even more confusing.

The way I got it was that FC between SF and Solum still hadn't happened.
The Protostar however was already launched and lost by 2383.
And, since we know the Protostar ended up over 17 years into the past (because the montage of when Gwyn was conceived was 17 years ago, and the Protostar was already searched for years to that point), indicates to me, the Diviner is from the year of around 2433 (50 years after 2383)... possibly a year or so further (depending on when FC with Solum happened).

The Diviner travelled back to just before FC to 2382 or 2383, encountering the Protostar.
Chakotay sends out a distress call as a result of encountering a temporal anomaly (Diviner's trip from the future). Drednok attacks the crew (and Chakotay), interrogates him, meanwhile the Diviner plants his software weapon into the ship. Chaktoay then probably managed to escape, forcing both Drednok and Diviner off the ship and whatever transpired after that triggered another temporal event which pushed the Protostar and the REV-12 over 17 years into the past (from 2383 to 'years' BEFORE 2366). Chakotay hides the Protostar inside Tars Lamora, and the Diviner begins his 'over 17 years long search' for it).

It IS a bit confusing because we still have no idea of when each event took place and how they happened (obviously what I said is pure speculation).

Am I the only one thinking that Solum's first contact with the Federation ends up being a predestination paradox? The Diviner going back in time to stop Federation first contact kicks off the events that end up causing it to happen. He caused what he's trying to prevent.

I hadn't thought about it like that... but its a possibility.
I wonder that if the kids do end up finding themselves at the cusp of SF and Solum initiating FC, will they intervene and try to change history?
That would most definitely wipe out existing events though which would be against the Temporal Prime directive and would in fact be a massive reset button (but I somehow think this show won't go down the reset button route).
 
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Hmm...

THE DOCTOR: Ah yes. Medusan Madness Syndrome. An instant loss of the mind due to visual exposure to the Medusan form. Fortunately, an ounce of prevention is equal to a pound of cure. In this case a bowl of Mr. Neelix's leola root stew, which has the capacity to shock the mind back into its proper place. You know, the discoveries Voyager made in the Delta Quadrant really have benefitted the Federation as a whole...
 
Poor Murf was violated! That core was removed by from his inside by a transporter beam! The horror! I don't recall this being done before in any series.

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Damn. You made me remember the Vidiians. Now I have to go back to therapy...

;)

Lol... the TNG episode with those critters that took posession of half the Starfleet and were envisioned as the early Borg (but in insect form) is viler for me than that.

Just bear in mind that if you THINK there's nothing more horrific than one thing in Trek, there probably IS. :D

But the Vidiians snatching away Neelix's organs and their faces... those were quite horrific... though for some reason, I found the Vidiians deadlier in 'Deadlock'.
 
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This also explains why the 'alternate future' badge was in the Kobayashi Maru simulation - it was the primary badge at the time!

I’m confused. Is the Protostar badge supposed to be the same as the Lower Decks badge? And they went from the FC badge to the LD badge to the AGT badge and then back to the FC badge?
 
These entertainment websites don't usually get a lot of things right, but what I found here https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-prodigy-canon-picard-season-two actually seems to make sense. The author of the article clearly did the research--

The exact nature of how the Protostar got to Tars Lamora has yet to be revealed, but for now the timeline shakes out something like this:

  • 2366: This is the year the Diviner travels back to from his point of origin in 2433. He clones himself and Gywn is created.
  • Between 2366 and 2383: The Protostar is somehow sent back in time to Tars Lamora from its point of origin around the 2380s.
  • 2383: The primary setting for the events of Prodigy.
  • 2433 (roughly): A point in the future after Starfleet has made First Contact with the Vau N’Akat on the planet Solum. It’s from this time the Diviner traveled.

 
Lol... the TNG episode with those critters that took posession of half the Starfleet and were envisioned as the early Borg (but in insect form) is viler for me than that.

Just bear in mind that if you THINK there's nothing more horrific than one thing in Trek, there probably IS. :D

But the Vidiians snatching away Neelix's organs and their faces... those were quite horrific... though for some reason, I found the Vidiians deadlier in 'Deadlock'.

That makes sense.

I don't think things get more horrific than Khan's ear buddies.

I’m confused. Is the Protostar badge supposed to be the same as the Lower Decks badge? And they went from the FC badge to the LD badge to the AGT badge and then back to the FC badge?

It could well be the same, only with more detail. The plethora of badges parallels the options available for smartphones today. Which model do you perfer? Which features can't you live without?
 
I don't think things get more horrific than Khan's ear buddies.
I don't know if anyone here watches Netflix Witcher, but they blatantly ripped off Wrath of Khan with their own mind controlling ear worms (which aren't in the Witcher books the show is based on, I know since I read all of them). I even joked on a Witcher forum that the planet the franchise takes place on is obviously Ceti Alpha 5.
 
From the little we see of the Dauntless’s bridge, it does seem based on the fake dauntless just like the exterior
Makes sense, they were probably re-creating Slipstream on a ship that could stand up to it and that requires a very specific hull configuration.
 
So surely someone must have asked this before but... a starship programmed with Janeway's experiences has no Bob Picardo EMH? Did Chakotay delete him while he was in command?
 
So surely someone must have asked this before but... a starship programmed with Janeway's experiences has no Bob Picardo EMH? Did Chakotay delete him while he was in command?

His database was probably incorporated into the medical systems with a series of all new EMH providers. His diagnostic skill was unique to his own development. I'm not sure it could be duplicated. The Doctor's existence must have given Federation AI specialists enough material for years of research.

Makes sense, they were probably re-creating Slipstream on a ship that could stand up to it and that requires a very specific hull configuration.

Absolutely. Arturus was instinctively on the right path. But was Janeway's command to warp the ship to the Protostar's last blip a slip of the tongue?

I swear, this is the most exciting end of season setup since the Kazon stranded them all on that planet. How is this going to play out?! Will Gwyn remember in time? Will we see Chakotay? Will we see more familiar faces among the Dauntless crew? Will Murf swallow a whole starship to prevent the destruction of Starfleet?
 
These entertainment websites don't usually get a lot of things right, but what I found here https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-prodigy-canon-picard-season-two actually seems to make sense. The author of the article clearly did the research--

The exact nature of how the Protostar got to Tars Lamora has yet to be revealed, but for now the timeline shakes out something like this:

  • 2366: This is the year the Diviner travels back to from his point of origin in 2433. He clones himself and Gywn is created.
  • Between 2366 and 2383: The Protostar is somehow sent back in time to Tars Lamora from its point of origin around the 2380s.
  • 2383: The primary setting for the events of Prodigy.
  • 2433 (roughly): A point in the future after Starfleet has made First Contact with the Vau N’Akat on the planet Solum. It’s from this time the Diviner traveled.

The first date they have is incorrect, as we know The Diviner was sent back further than 17 years as he and Drednok’s conversation in the 2366 flashback said they had already been looking for the Protostar for years at that point.

And the last date is a fairly baseless assumption the way it’s presented, because The Diviner doesn’t suggest or intimate at any point that First Contact was imminent/that year. He just showed Gwyn what 50 years post First Contact looked like, he didn’t say “50 years from the present,” or “50 years from now.”

The middle date range is accurate, but the first should be “over 17 years prior/sometime years before 2366” and the last should say “50+ years, or sometime after 2433,” and not roughly. As the information was presented to us in the show, it could be another 4 weeks, or another 20 years still until First Contact is set to happen.
 
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The first date they have is incorrect, as we know The Diviner was sent back further than 17 years as he and Drednok’s conversation in the 2366 flashback said they had already been looking fir the Protostar for years at that point.

And the last date is a fairly baseless assumption the way it’s presented, because The Diviner doesn’t suggest or intimate at any point that First Contact was imminent/that year. He just showed Gwyn what 50 years post First Contact looked like, he didn’t say “50 years from the present,” or “50 years from now.”

The middle date range is accurate, but the first should be “over 17 years prior/sometime years before 2366” and the last should say “50+ years, or sometime after 2433,” and not roughly. As the information was presented to us in the show, it could be another 4 weeks, or another 20 years still until First Contact is set to happen.
The article mentions the author consulted with the screenwriters, so some of the dates may have come from their talks that haven't made it on screen yet (and thus could be subject to change)
 
A 10.

The midseason break kicks off on a high note and one of the season's highest. I did notice that Admiral Janeway's commbadge at the end of the episode wasn't the PIC one but the alternate future timeline commbadge seen in "All Good Things...(TNG)" and "The Visitor(DS9)" so is this confirmation that the Protostar and Captain Chakotay come from a future timeline that no longer exists in the live action series? Unless the shape of the commbadge was a production mistake and it was intended to be the PIC one.
 
I’m confused. Is the Protostar badge supposed to be the same as the Lower Decks badge? And they went from the FC badge to the LD badge to the AGT badge and then back to the FC badge?

I'm starting to think an alternate future timeline is involved somehow in the Protostar. That there was some crossover to the Prime timeline from a future that no longer exists from the perspective of the live action series.
 
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