Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x10 - "A Moral Star, Part 2"
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Interesting, Dr. Noum is a five-fingered Tellarite as opposed to Jankom Pog's three-fingered variant.Interesting uniforms and commbadges! So the AGT/Visitor/Endgame commbadge is in the prime timeline now. And the timeline of early 2380s uniforms and badges is getting even more messy! XD
And Admirals have their rankpins on the shoulder, while the rest has them on the neck
It could be that we simply never saw the LDS badge and uniforms before because all we got to see were the more important ships and station crews. Perhaps you gotta 'earn' the golden back part of the badge, and if you're not that good at the academy, you only get a silver arrowhead badge and are sent to the Cali type ships. Didn't the Admirals in LDS have an LDS-style uniform and badge as well? Perhaps there even are lower class Admirals
It is odd though that the main badge goes back to the GEN version after the AGT version and before the PIC version...
The idea back then was that outposts like DS9 have a different uniform. Then that one took over as the main uniform in GEN and VOY.
The Protostar uniforms and badges seem to be specific for that ship, like the Drive uniforms in VOY that were just for that space race...
It could be that we simply never saw the LDS badge and uniforms before because all we got to see were the more important ships and station crews. Perhaps you gotta 'earn' the golden back part of the badge, and if you're not that good at the academy, you only get a silver arrowhead badge and are sent to the Cali type ships. Didn't the Admirals in LDS have an LDS-style uniform and badge as well? Perhaps there even are lower class Admirals
It is odd though that the main badge goes back to the GEN version after the AGT version and before the PIC version...
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I think each uniform having a different badge sort of highlights the plethora of uniforms being used simultaneously. It wouldn't stand out as much if they all used the same badge.
TNG also had different colored combadges, depending on who was wearing it, like Wesley’s all silver one.
The creators said it’s a specialized uniform for the experimental ship, similar to what we saw with Voyager’s test pilot uniforms.
The difference with Wesley's silver badge though is that it was the same shape as the rest. I didn't notice Wesley's badge was all silver for like 30 years.
I think you’re probably right about that.
Great catch! I love how it combines the tusks of the Discovery design with the old school Tellarite look as well.
Maybe there's variation in their species on the number of fingers, or Jankom is the exception and he has a genetic deformity in that he is Oligodactyly?
In human's, there are people who are Polydactyly who have 6 fingers per hand
As a kid, one of my best friends from my child hood was born without the Toe nail on one of his big toes, it was his genetic anomaly, but other than that, he was normal.
I can imagine StarFleet turning the USS Voyager into a Interactive Museum with Holographic Replays of famous missions or episodes for the countless citizens to enjoy.Voyager might be sitting on the Presidio
That could be quite the story / attraction to the public, especially given how much fame / tech Voyager brought back.
The TOS Tellarites had three fingers/“hooved” hands as well.
Beginning to think that the Diviner's whole scheme is what leads to first contact in the first place. The show obviously has to go to Solum at some point and once "The Order" or whoever is in charge meets Gwyn they'll be sure to give the Diviner very strict orders not to create a progeny when they send him back in time. Then we're back where we started with Drednok insisting the creation of Gwyn is forbidden and the Diviner arrogantly believing that he can change history.
Edit: Another thing I wonder about is how the Prime Directive applies to this whole situation. The Solum civil war stopped being a wholly internal affair as soon as they decided to send the Diviner back to create a cyberweapon out of a ship. But that hasn't happened yet. The act of war has happened.. but the order for it hasn't happened.. Ugh, the last thing PD debates needed was temporal shenanigans.
Edit: Another thing I wonder about is how the Prime Directive applies to this whole situation. The Solum civil war stopped being a wholly internal affair as soon as they decided to send the Diviner back to create a cyberweapon out of a ship. But that hasn't happened yet. The act of war has happened.. but the order for it hasn't happened.. Ugh, the last thing PD debates needed was temporal shenanigans.
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Well, it looks like Starfleet made its own real USS Dauntless and Admiral Janeway is its commanding officer.
The exterior of the ship looks a bit... weird though. Not an exact replica but close enough... some lines do interrupt the flow, but it does seem like when Janeway ordered the VOY crew to get to know how the ship works from the inside and out, it was more than enough for SF to make its own Slipstream dedicated ship it seems (in fact, I'm quite certain it has its own Slipstream drive).
That's actually a nice followup.
The interior bridge seems like an exact recreation of the fake Dauntless though.
We know now why the Protostar can't go back to the Federation (and I was right... the Protostar was already launched and lost by this time period).... but despite this fact and Gwyn's memory loss, the kids don't know this... so they're still on their way.
Oh and I seem to have been correct too about the Protostar not being Diviner's. In fact, the only thing he did was placing that corruption software onboard... that's why he wanted it... and his desire to destroy SF seems vague at best... we also hadn't heard of SF's side of things (not that there would be any for decades).
Given the inclusion of a SF doctor on Prodigy... it seems to me like at some point, Admiral Janeway will in fact make contact with the Protostar, and after discovering the reality of what the Protostar can do to the fleet (probably via internal sensors recording what happened in the holodeck, or a potential mind meld, or Gwyn gets her memory back - at least partly), she could provide special dispensation to the kids so they use the ship as a Federation ship, but AWAY from the Federation and with an inclusion of a SF commander and doctor to help them?
But that also brings into question... what will happen to the Dauntless and Admiral Janeway if they get in touch with the Protostar?
Maybe if Admiral Janeway makes contact remotely with the Protostar or via third party.
The kids will have to realize at some point they can't go to the UFP.
It's a great episode... however, we still don't know what happened to Chakotay, or how the kids will come to the conclusion they can't go to the Federation.
The exterior of the ship looks a bit... weird though. Not an exact replica but close enough... some lines do interrupt the flow, but it does seem like when Janeway ordered the VOY crew to get to know how the ship works from the inside and out, it was more than enough for SF to make its own Slipstream dedicated ship it seems (in fact, I'm quite certain it has its own Slipstream drive).
That's actually a nice followup.
The interior bridge seems like an exact recreation of the fake Dauntless though.
We know now why the Protostar can't go back to the Federation (and I was right... the Protostar was already launched and lost by this time period).... but despite this fact and Gwyn's memory loss, the kids don't know this... so they're still on their way.
Oh and I seem to have been correct too about the Protostar not being Diviner's. In fact, the only thing he did was placing that corruption software onboard... that's why he wanted it... and his desire to destroy SF seems vague at best... we also hadn't heard of SF's side of things (not that there would be any for decades).
Given the inclusion of a SF doctor on Prodigy... it seems to me like at some point, Admiral Janeway will in fact make contact with the Protostar, and after discovering the reality of what the Protostar can do to the fleet (probably via internal sensors recording what happened in the holodeck, or a potential mind meld, or Gwyn gets her memory back - at least partly), she could provide special dispensation to the kids so they use the ship as a Federation ship, but AWAY from the Federation and with an inclusion of a SF commander and doctor to help them?
But that also brings into question... what will happen to the Dauntless and Admiral Janeway if they get in touch with the Protostar?
Maybe if Admiral Janeway makes contact remotely with the Protostar or via third party.
The kids will have to realize at some point they can't go to the UFP.
It's a great episode... however, we still don't know what happened to Chakotay, or how the kids will come to the conclusion they can't go to the Federation.
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The Starfleet Doctor and Commander we knew were coming to the show were on the bridge of the Dauntless with Janeway. It’s certainly possible any number of them could join the kids on the Protostar, but I’m thinking their main purpose on the show is to serve as VA Janeway’s crew.
I almost wonder if they will somehow make contact with VA Janeway after Gwyn regains her memory, and they’ll work together while at a distance for a time until they can…“defuse” The Diviner’s ticking timebomb inside the Protostar.
I can’t wait to see them meet up, however it goes down!
I almost wonder if they will somehow make contact with VA Janeway after Gwyn regains her memory, and they’ll work together while at a distance for a time until they can…“defuse” The Diviner’s ticking timebomb inside the Protostar.
I can’t wait to see them meet up, however it goes down!
Has anyone mentioned HJ's Holo Fu?
All of the Unwanted just buckling in and manning stations was a little too Disco for me. Who needs, y'know, training to fly a starship...?
All of the Unwanted just buckling in and manning stations was a little too Disco for me. Who needs, y'know, training to fly a starship...?
Dauntless reminds me a bit of one of the early versions of Voyager.
Overall a good episode but did feel a little rushed.
Overall a good episode but did feel a little rushed.
Yes, I noticed Janeway seems to have gotten some basic fighting/defensive skills along with the ability to make her holomatrix solid at will (like the Doctor - but its very possible this wasn't originally part of her program because she was just a training advisor/a low priority system).
Well, in fairness, the Diviner DID enslave multiple different species from unknown backgrounds. It stands to reason some of them had basic ship manning skills (and that Dal asked those to accompany him to the bridge) - plus the kids would have likely helped them out.
If you recall, Jankom Pog was already an engineer (or at least was able to do percursive maintenance - seems to me like Rokh Takh might actually end up being Chief Engineer and Jankom could be her assistant (like Carrey was supposed to be for Torres, and then he got lost in lower decks for 6 years and replaced by Vorrik - I didn't mind Vorrik, but they could have included both Carrey and Vorik together - and, as much as I like VOY, I do think this was a bit of a missed opportunity).
I think its the aft section and the nacelles that are more reminiscent of early VOY concept drawings (there's more 'breakage' in the flow of the ship in this area, much like in the early VOY concepts - I was never a fan of those sharp edges though - I guess I prefer more 'flowy' lines).
I think it may have been mentioned that the fake Dauntless also drew from VOY early concepts.
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The Diviner saw the light in the end.
Trust Janeway to search for the Protostar personally. I don't think she'll need the coffee for a while, now that she's on the trail!
Trust Janeway to search for the Protostar personally. I don't think she'll need the coffee for a while, now that she's on the trail!
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