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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Things from PIC Season 2 are jumping out to me as I watch 12 Monkeys as well. I'm trying to get through a season a day. It's short enough that I can just pull it off.

Afterwards, I'll start a Picard/12 Monkeys Comparison Thread. I think there's enough there to sustain a thread of its own.
 
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Afterwards, I'll start a Picard/12 Monkeys Comparison Thread. I think there's enough there to sustain a thread of its own.
I'd suggest making some notes on paper or your phone. Things you'd like to look up but can't due to spoiler risk. They do a ton of foreshadowing, and tie off many ends you might lose track of a few seasons later.

Also, once you get to the middle of season 3, you'll have a new appreciation for the Cher "If I Could Turn Back Time" song...
 
Mid-way through Season 1 of 12 Monkeys. Fortunately, I don't have a day off between the release of Picard Season 3 on Blu Ray and next week. So, I actually really have nine days to get caught up, not three. Because once I have that Blu-Ray, I'm spending the next 8-10 hours watching PIC Season 3 straight through. So I need the day off, when I do that.

I'm really regretting not getting Hulu without commercials. I haven't eaten fast food since 1991 (yes, you read that right, I haven't eaten fast food in over 30 years!) and those McDonalds and Wendy's commercials are annoying the Hell out of me. Plus, that commercial time adds up. I think I'll upgrade to without commercials. I'm doing this for speed. Cutting the fat out. Pun intended.

I want to save most of my observations for the new thread when I start it, but I'll tell you right now, "Two of One" from Picard Season 2 is straight-up a Star Trek take on a 12 Monkeys trope where the crew is at a formal celebration and everyone's dressed up.

Actually, one more thing: Todd Stashwick! And he's a pragmatic asshole in 12 Monkeys too!

EDITED TO ADD: Done with the first season!
 
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Just posting it in this thread was fair game, as it's the place for odds and ends bullshit. Posting it in three different threads is spamming. And better to just post your reply without hooking it to a randomly quoted post. Do this again and you'll get a formal warning.
 
Done with The 12 Monkeys. That was an interesting journey. Now I'll be re-watching PIC Season 2 again. I had a mixed reaction to it the first time, had a more even sense of watching it a second time, and I think I'll have a new perspective going into it a third time. We'll see. Unless I have something substantial to add, I'll be re-watching it without commenting on it. Or I'll just save my thoughts for the end in one post. Then it's finally onto my big "Re-watch PIC Season 3 as if it's one big TNG Movie" day.

I still think I'll like the first and third seasons more than the second, but I expect the gap to be smaller this time.
 
Patrick Stewart: How Star Trek: Picard Was Really Supposed to End
https://time.com/6318023/patrick-stewart-making-it-so-excerpt-picard/

The writers came up with a lovely scene. It is dusk at Jean-Luc’s vineyard. His back is to us as he takes in the view, his dog at his side.

Then, off-screen, a woman’s loving voice is heard: “Jean-Luc? Supper’s ready!”

Is it Beverly Crusher’s voice? Laris’s? Someone we don’t know? It isn’t made clear. But Sunny was set to record the lines.

Heeding his wife’s call, Jean-Luc turns around, says to his dog, “C’mon, boy,” and heads inside. Dusk fades to night, and Picard fades into history.

But this scene was never shot. And I am sort of to blame. Our final day of shooting season 3 was a bear, with a very long to-do list. About eight hours in, I realized we were in for a 14- or even 16-hour day. Brutal. And I was booked to fly to New York the first thing the following morning. So I made a suggestion to the production team.

“Look,” I said, “the scene with the dog will take no time to shoot, but it will take hours to set up the lighting and the green screen and all that. We don’t have those hours. So let’s not shoot that scene today. I can come back at any time you like and take care of it. Just me and the dog.”

The production team was grateful and relieved. And I was assured that we would take care of the final scene upon my return from New York.

But I never got a call. When I made a few inquiries, I kept getting put off. Finally, someone told me, “The studio doesn’t want to do it. It’s too expensive and they think it’s unnecessary.” Unnecessary? I thought it was crucial to the completion of Picard’s arc. But so be it: the TV series ended with the toast, which is a warm, emotional send-off to my favorite Starfleet crew. Either way, you now know of my original intent.
 
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I would have preferred that to another poker game.
That ending would have been *too* solitary, ambiguous and almost lonely in a way. It would have book ended the series in a way that made it look like Picard simply went back to his old life at the chateaux, when there is still ‘life left in the old dog yet’ for Legacy or the movie which Patrick Stewart is suggesting. Picard still belongs in space, as long as Patrick Stewart is willing to act of course, even if it is only as a recurring guest star.

Picard had found his ‘family’ again at the ending of Picard season 3. The Poker scene showed the whole crew together again (minus Wesley) and also reflected the ending of All Good Things which was a nice touch. The original ending from The TNG finale is one of the best ending scenes of a television show in my opinion if you understand it’s context and deeper meaning to the show, as poker had been integral to the TNG crew bonding over the years, especially when Picard *finally* decided to join his officers for a game after all of those years of not taking part. :bolian:

The sky is the limit….

PS if they need a writer for the new Trek film how about David Mack? I recently randomly found one of his books which I have never read before in a charity shop, Star Trek: Destiny. I am not sure if he is too old and retired now though, like a lot of the other authors from the 90’s such as DC Fontana (RIP), David Gerrold and Jerry Taylor etc. who would have been good choices too.

Maybe authors cannot write for TV and films though, different genres I guess….

Can always have Terry as a backup though. Or David Walliams. :bolian:
 
If they had filmed it, I'd have liked them to swap it out for the crappy sequel-baiting Jack and Q scene. That way you have your "Picard and his crew" finale, and then you have a quiet coda.

But I'd also make it clear who the woman was. Screw that wishy-washy crap.
Yeah that’s a better idea for that scene actually if anything.
 
from the 90’s such as DC Fontana (RIP), David Gerrold and Jerry Taylor etc.
David Gerrold hasn't been involved with TNG since 1987. He left in the first season under not-so-good terms and I don't get the impression he's followed the series or its follow-ups since. He'd have to get caught up with too much, including how TNG gradually moved away from how it started, and he'd have some bad blood to let go of. I'd actually have an easier time believing he'd come back for SNW -- if he did -- than anything PIC-related.

Jeri Taylor, OTOH, would be a good choice.
 
PS if they need a writer for the new Trek film how about David Mack? I recently randomly found one of his books which I have never read before in a charity shop, Star Trek: Destiny. I am not sure if he is too old and retired now though, like a lot of the other authors from the 90’s
David Mack is not an author "from the 90s." His first published Trek novel was released in 2001 and he's still writing. His most recent Trek novel was the TOS novel Harm's Way released last November, and he has a Picard novel Firewall due this coming February. He also has story credit on two DS9 episodes and is currently a creative consultant on Lower Decks and Prodigy.
 
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