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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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I think that given how long Spacedock (a.k.a. Probert Station) went toe-toe with the "entire" Federation fleet, and given that in addition it was evidently an integral component of Earth's planetary shielding, I'd imagine it must have some essential defensive components that are very difficult to replicate.

Plus it's fucking more massive than a shuttle by orders of magnitude and magnitudes. It can't just be "replicated."
 
Quite a few of those 17 ships listed in the certain category have their class determined by the Operation Retrieve chart, which is in a deleted scene. That makes them the opposite of certain. But Memory Alpha gonna Memory Alpha.

That scene is in the Director's Cut/Special Edition.
 
Sorry this this was already discussed but we're at 114 pages at this point, jumping 40 since my last visit.

I do wish we had one more scene with Laris at the end. That relationship was left up in the air a bit. As much as we see Picard and Bev co-parenting, I can easily imagine they're doing it like amicably divorced parents. By this time, I think they've accepted the universe's messages that they suck as a couple but as deep friends, their bond is unbreakable.

Or perhaps there's a deleted scene where we see Jean-Luc in bed with Beverly and then Laris's head pops up from under the sheets. Gene Roddenberry would have appreciated that...
 
Sorry this this was already discussed but we're at 114 pages at this point, jumping 40 since my last visit.

I do wish we had one more scene with Laris at the end. That relationship was left up in the air a bit. As much as we see Picard and Bev co-parenting, I can easily imagine they're doing it like amicably divorced parents. By this time, I think they've accepted the universe's messages that they suck as a couple but as deep friends, their bond is unbreakable.

Or perhaps there's a deleted scene where we see Jean-Luc in bed with Beverly and then Laris's head pops up from under the sheets. Gene Roddenberry would have appreciated that...
There was a lot to be desired about how much they crammed into that last 15 minutes or so. Sounds like it was budget related, as well as time. There were a lot of logical places Soji and Laris should have popped up but didn't.
 
Dont forget that Frontier Day was basically a parade of the tools of empire.

The use of the word 'frontier' and the frontier day stuff has been pissing me off all season. Just felt a little too colonial...when Bashir is going on and on about 'frontier medicine' in DS9 and Kira serves him up....then 20 years later we have 'frontier day'?
 
Terry Matalas posted concept art for the Enterprise-D in Bay 12 at the Fleet Museum on his Twitter page.

One of the images is basically what they went with for Episode 9. The other shows a still severely damaged Enterprise-D, which I guess they might have went with if they had said the ship was just recently recovered and being worked on.

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Dont forget that Frontier Day was basically a parade of the tools of empire.
You mean the tools that have saved the galaxy from Dominion, Borg, Romulan and Klingon subjugation?

Moreover, within the Star Trek universe, warp drive (and by extension all of those starships) is responsible for pushing humanity and Earth towards a utopia.
 
Do the "Space, the final frontier" monologues upset you too?

Actually no, but perhaps that's because I skip the intro on everything when I rewatch...I'm not angry about it...lots of things piss me off about stuff I really enjoy. I have to be critical for my job and everything in my life so, I'm like that about television too...not trying to bother anyone.
 
Actually no, but perhaps that's because I skip the intro on everything when I rewatch...I'm not angry about it...lots of things piss me off about stuff I really enjoy. I have to be critical for my job and everything in my life so, I'm like that about television too...not trying to bother anyone.

I'm not bothered. It's a different perspective. But I'm willing to bet the writers had that monologue in mind when they came up with the name Frontier Day more than anything else. Then again, that alone probably has its origins in British colonialism/exploration considering Trek can be boiled down to a Horatio Hornblower novel.
 
I'm not bothered. It's a different perspective. But I'm willing to bet the writers had that monologue in mind when they came up with the name Frontier Day more than anything else. Then again, that alone probably has its origins in British colonialism/exploration considering Trek can be boiled down to a Horatio Hornblower novel.

Yeah I honestly don't even question or think about the phrase "space, the final frontier" because I have been hearing it my whole life. And it was the 'final' frontier, but 'Frontier Day' just conjured up images of battles with indigenous people and colonisation and kind of insinuates expansion, etc. I really feel like TNG, through the character of Picard and the characterisation of the prime directive, gave the Federation a more culturally relativist stance than it had in TOS, which I really appreciated. It made the Federation seem more like the UN than the US.
 
Actually no, but perhaps that's because I skip the intro on everything when I rewatch...I'm not angry about it...lots of things piss me off about stuff I really enjoy. I have to be critical for my job and everything in my life so, I'm like that about television too...not trying to bother anyone.

What are you so critical about in your job that the word frontier bothers you. It's used properly in star trek because it literally is the final frontier fir human exploration as far as we know.
 
You mean the tools that have saved the galaxy from Dominion, Borg, Romulan and Klingon subjugation?

Moreover, within the Star Trek universe, warp drive (and by extension all of those starships) is responsible for pushing humanity and Earth towards a utopia.
Sure they do that. But like the British Navy, they also resupply human colonies throughout the galaxy, deliver arms, and maintain territorial integrity.

More to the point, it was the type of national military parade that typifies authoritarian empires, that we might see in Pyongyang or Moscow.
 
But I'm willing to bet the writers had that monologue in mind when they came up with the name Frontier Day more than anything else.
Strangely enough, Frontier Day did not celebrate the people struggling to terraform inhospitable environments, helping out with underdeveloped societies or people in need, or even being on the frontier. It was starship porn. Frontier Day was about sending heavily armed vessels into the galaxy.
 
What are you so critical about in your job that the word frontier bothers you. It's used properly in star trek because it literally is the final frontier fir human exploration as far as we know.

Why do you even care about my opinion? I am a postgraduate student in international relations and I teach literature in secondary school, if you must know. It didn't bother me enough to stop watching or to not spend a ton of time in this forum, I am obviously a fan and love the show...are you just bothered by the verb I used? Apologies for the verb 'pissed', perhaps annoyed would be less offensive?
 
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